ArchivedOSAS revisitedYou are still arguing against yourself. You maintain THE FAITH is doctrines essential to Christianity and in the previous sentnece ask me to show where "it" actually states that a person renounce their faith. Now I guess you need to decide who determines "doctrines essential to Christianity" since what you consider "essential doctrines" and what Catholicism considers "essential doctrines" are not the same. Go back and read what you have posted. You claim that a "genuine believer" is lead by the Spirit and since the Spirit deals with individuals in their faithful walk with the Lord and not "essential doctrines", most of which change with the denomination your whole thesis is full of holes. What is ludicrous about OSAS debates is your last ditch stance is "show me they were ever saved in the first place" wich is simply a convenient way to avoid the issue. You claim I am appealing to modern dictionaries to define words, yet you are appealing to modern theologians in your attempt to show "the faith" to mean doctrines essential to Christianity, a concept not found in the NT to personal faith, which in fact has the same meaning to those who don't wrangle over words. Also if you place your "religious" definition of apostate and a secular definition of apostate side by side they are identical. Your arguement that "the faith" is not the same as "faith" is reminiscent of Jehovah's Witnesses contention that God (theos) is not the same as the God (ho theos) in John 1:1. The KJ uses the word "faith" 245 times and in only 45 places is faith preceded by "the". When Jesus healed He did not tell those He healed it was done because of "the faith" but because of "their faith. Now if you read my opening post I asked one question you for the umpteenth time have avoided and that is how can someone fall away from something they never had. In spite of all the hubris you have thrown around for the last 6 pages you have not demonstrated that OSAS is a valid doctrine, which is demonstrated by your use of "genuine believer" and "they were never saved in the first place". |
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