ArchivedOSAS revisitedFor anyone who knows anything about Internet etiquette posting in large fonts has always been considered screaming so your denial that you just love to scream rings hollow. Okay, so did you read what Billy Graham is teaching? He is agreeing with Catholicism that one can be saved without “redemption through His atoning sacrifice (Philippians 3:18, 2 Peter 2:1)”. So according to your preferred definition Billy Graham is in apostasy. As to Mel White that is also easy to prove since Mel White is willfully sinning by promoting gay theology and living as an out and proud gay man, he and his partner founded SoulForce. Also I did not post that Mel White is an apostate I posted that Mel White fell away from the faith by becoming a false teacher preacher false doctrine. As to the demons who acknowledged Jesus is the Son of God, your response totally ignores who is to judge fallen angels and the lost. As an ex-con I was “judged” by an officer of the court who was not my Lord therefore it is not beyond the realm of possibilities that those demons viewed Jesus as judge and not Lord. Your analysis of the parable of the vine falls short since you fail to consider how the pruned unproductive branches became part of the vine. I can again use Mel White as an example. For decades he was a very productive branch that became unproductive when he abandoned God’s truth in favor of gay theology. Another example of being pruned or “cut off” is found in Romans 11 where Paul uses the natural olive as a metaphor for the saved. Gentiles are grafted into the natural olive tree but are subject to being “cut off” if they do not continue in the faith. How are we saved? By faith, which was the whole point of what I posted concerning faith in a prior post. You insist that you have posted many Scriptures that show salvation cannot be lost when in reality what you posted is God’s part in a partnership. You have totally ignored all Scriptural warnings about the possibility of walking away from God’s truth by willfully sinning since we bear some responsibility to live a Godly life. So lets appeal to the Bible in lieu of opinions you cannot back up with Scripture. John writes that those who are born of God will not practice sin, which I agree with. However you cannot find any Scripture that plainly states one cannot die to God after being born again. In fact there are a plethora of warnings that the opposite is true. No I did not, you have refused to finish the sentence, which ends with our faith[/quote] proving once again you pull Scripture out of context. The other age old question that OSAS advocates cannot respond to is: Prove that those who commit apostasy were not saved or never obtained salvation by faith. Oh, your appeal to 1 John 3:2 reads “now” not now and forever. If you read the Bible carefully and with a desire to learn God’s truth OSAS is proven false. As to the UPC if you take the time to study their theology they teach salvation through faith in Jesus Christ and all the doctrines essential to Christianity but they add tongues as the only sign of salvation and deny the Trinity. Some of their members come out of other denominations that deny the gifts of the Spirit are available today. Therefore neither you nor I are in a position to judge or know if the members of the UPC are simply professors and were never possessors of salvation. All we can discern is that the UPC is a cult that teaches heresy. Repetition of a false hood does not make it true. You need to go back and read your own definition of “depart” and then explain to us how one can depart from a position of location they never possessed or attained. So far you have avoided that question. Now, as to your rebuttal of the “second death”: When Adam sinned mankind died spiritually and to make sure he would die physically God placed an angel by the Tree of Life: All humans die a physical death but only those born again are alive in the Spirit so only those who are born again can die a “second death”. |
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