ArchivedOSAS revisitedAineo, you keep asking me to define the term "Genuine Believer" when you already have. Change begins from within, the Bible never explicitly states that those who have obtained Salvation "Genuine Believers" (Rom. 10:9) can lose it, or have the propensity to forfeit it. A person can know the truth, take hold of it and fail to act upon it, conversion comes through confession, repentance, etc...and not just oral confession. There are numerous historians that actually believe that Jesus died for the sins of the world and acknowledge this, however without the person having a change of heart from within, they remain unregenerate. Humans can indeed choose between Good and Evil and by free will choose to walk away, but the very nature of the "born again believer" is that he/she conforms his/her will to that of Gods, prompted by the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the empowerment of God within us (2 Cor. 13:4; 2 Cor. 5:17), no longer living according to the lusts of the flesh, the will of man, but to the will of God. He is a new creature, i.e., when a man comes into vital union with the risen and glorified Lord, he is a "new creation" (John 3:3; 15:5; Rom. 8:1,9; Gal. 6:14,15) and perceives Christ in a new way. "Old things are passed away", the aorist tense indicates a decisive break with the old life at the moment of Salvation, his/her "free will" is now God centered due to their new nature in Christ. "Behold, all things are become new" which literally means (new things have come to be)., Paul changes to the perfect tense to stress the abiding results of the Christian's union with Christ. You see Aineo, Satan can in fact use the Doctrine of Eternal Security within denominations to lead men and women to perdition by telling a half-truth, that is one can continue to live a sinful lifestyle and anticipate their entrance into the Kingdom. By doing so, he can distort and convolute the truth of the guaranteed security of the trusted believer, this can also be applied to major false doctrines which teach half-truths wholeheartedly. The bible is consistent in its teaching of the reborn and regenerate person who is in Christ, the very argument that a born again believer can by "free will" may choose to walk away, can "fall away" or become apostate goes against the very nature of re-birth. The scriptures clearly teach that those who "fall away" have no (ROOT) [Lk. 8:13], that is, the Gospel fails to take effect. The word "root" (rhiza) is used as a metaphor for an offspring, so in the context of this verse, a person who has no root is a person who is not "born of God", or regenerated from within. Again with (1 Timothy 4:1-5) An example of unsaved people who can "fall away" from the faith is found in (1 John 2:19), Some were in the church, but have now departed, were never really part of it. Here is a clear distinction between those who merely appear to be Christians, based on outward affiliation, and those who really are, whom the Lord claims as His own (1 Cor. 8:3; Gal. 4:9; 2 Tim. 2:19). Now conditional security adherents may argue that those who depart from the faith tend to do it as individuals and not as a group. However that argument is based on personal opinion rather than prooftexting, because more than one individual departing from the faith can be considered a group. Scriptures interpret scriptures! Ephesians 1:14 guarantees that our inheritance is secured until the redemption of our bodies, and other passages substantiate this as biblical fact. The portrayal of our salvation looks to the future. The author of salvation is portrayed as the blessed God and Father of your Lord Jesus Christ. The work of salvation (3-5) is described as to its effect. Hath begotten us again refers to a new stage of life that begins at salvation. The Lively hope has no aspect of uncertainty, for it is guaranteed by Jesus' resurrection from the dead. The believers inheritance is described as incorruptible (aphtharton), imperishable or indestructible, and undefiled, i.e., morally untainted. That fadeth not away (amaranton), which means that it is not subject to the ravages of time. Furthermore, it is reserved (teteremenen: perfect tense), i.e., it has been preserved in the past and still is in heaven. Kept (present, passive participle) which indicates that we are secure because we are continually guarded by God, who never relaxes His vigil. Now you can go back to your usual argument that a believer can by "free will" choose to impart the gift of salvation by living a sinful lifestyle or becoming apostate, however the bible wholly depicts a Salvation which is both warranted and guaranteed by God Himself who pledges to both glorify and perfect the believer until our purchased possession. Why do I choose to debate with you on the subject of Conditional Security VS Eternal Security when I am 100% certain that you will remain adamant in your stand and maintain the same disposition in the false doctrine of conditional security? Perhaps I believe that you may have a change of heart!.........or maybe not. God Bless! |
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