Don't play sophist (Omega) by avoiding a question with a question.
When is any individual saved? Your only argument against conditional security is that those who fall away did not have "saving faith" or "were never saved in the first place". So in order to determine how you can come to this conclusion we have to determine when a person is saved. Now if you accept Jesus as an authority He states in Matthew 24 "but he who endures to the end he shall be saved". So the only way you or I or anyone can determine with any certainty who is or is not saved is to wait until the end when those who are saved will be taken in the first resurrection.
Paul wrote:
1 Corinthians 9:24-27
24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. 25 And everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. 26 Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; 27 but I buffet my body and make it my slave, lest possibly, after I have preached to others, I myself should be disqualified.
NAS
Why would Paul even think he could be disqualified, especially if he believed and taught OSAS?
Now can you tell me what your criteria is for "saving faith", after all you have added to Scripture by the use of "saving" and you have decided you can judge who is and is not saved based on some unknown subjective criteria not found in Scripture.
I seldom use Strong's since Strong's is not as good a lexicon as Thayers.
NT:4624
skandalizoo;
1. to put a stumbling block or impediment in the way, upon which another may trip and fall, metaph. to offend
a. to entice to sin
b. to cause a person to begin to distrust and desert one whom he ought to trust and obey
1. to cause to fall away
2. to be offended in one, i.e. to see in another what I disapprove of and what hinders me from acknowledging his authority
3. to cause one to judge unfavourably or unjustly of another
c. since one who stumbles or whose foot gets entangled feels annoyed
1. to cause one displeasure at a thing
2. to make indignant
3. to be displeased, indignant
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Gre ... s&type=eng
You are the one who decided to post Greek words and there definitions from Strong's. Your the one who decided to compare how one Greek word can be used in another passage that has nothing to do with loosing or walking away from faith. In other words (Omega) you have decided that wrangling over words will prove your point but all you have done is attempt to obfuscate the discussion with irrelevant material that does not establish OSAS as God's revealed truth, which by the way is the same tactic used by cults or have you forgotten the debates with the oneness crowd.
Oh, and btw your comparison of modern churches to the fist century church is ludicrous and another attempt to obfuscate this discussion. I was not referring to guests who visit hear with joy since hearing and receiving are not the same. But if you want to use the modern church, how many people have you seen who walked the aisle, made a confession of faith, were baptized, and at some later date returned to their previous sinful habits?