ArchivedOSAS revisitedFirst of all, where did you get the notion that I accept a pre-trib rapture, and secondly the 144,000 are "sealed" (sphragizo:for security or preservation, esp. from Satan) same word which is applied to the believers who are sealed with the Holy Spirit, indicating ownership. Pre-trib or not, that is a poor excuse to try and disprove my argument. Secondly I did not take 2 Timothy 2:19 out of context, the household refers to the Church, and "some to honour", and "some to dishonour" is parallel to the parable of the dragnet found in Matthew 13:47-52. The dragnet was pulled between two boats out into the water by a single boat and drawn to shore by ropes. In such a process all kinds of fish and other objects would be caught "together". The good were put in vessels, while the bad were cast away to be burned of fire (hell). The imagery is similar to the parable of the wheat and the tares, where the wheats (Genune Believers) and the tares (False Converts), they grow together as in the Church and are separated at the time of Harvest or Judgment. And once again, God stresses the security of His Church, i.e., "The Lord knoweth them that are his" (2 Tim. 2:19), the word know here indicates and intimate relationship or being acquainted with. You CANNOT, in NO WAY prove that "Genuine Believers" have become apostate as I have proven above. Your responses are filled with contradictions which shows that you are relying on personal opinion rather than scripture based facts, this can lead to self-deception. By ignoring the context of certain passages and subjecting it to speculation, you have set a snare for yourself. Then you use the term "Genuine Believers" as an example of how some have become apostate, then ask me to define what a Genuine Believer is and make the assumption that I may deny that Mel White and Troy Perry were in fact genuine believers? I'm beginning to wonder why your responses are so muddled, if you can come up with a legitimate response to your fallacious arguments then you can pull a rabbit out of a hat. You nor I can label the SBC or any other divorced and remarried Christian someone who "practice sin". I was speaking in terms of individuals and NOT denominations or people as a whole, you of all people should have recognized this. Furthermore if you want to consider a person who gets divorced and remarried someone who sins "habitually", then you must take into consideration that the person who gets divorced and remarried does it habitually, more than once. The same could be said with someone who practices the sin of lying, he doesn't lie once, he habitually lies. So IF in fact a person gets divorced and remarried habitually or practices it, then YES, this person practices sin. I'm not sure those who believe in OSAS and where once genuine believers becoming apostate since you cannot prove that they were in fact saved. Secondly, what most SBC's teach is that regardless of a sinful lifestyle you cannot lose your Salvation, which distorts the Gospel, because the scriptures clearly teach that those who live according to the flesh WILL NOT inherit the Kingdom of God. If your going to teach the word, don't teach a segment of it, teach the truth in its entirety. God Bless! |
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