ArchivedOSAS revisitedI know what the Bible says about how one is saved, however you have yet to post who you believe are "genuine believers". What you are also ignoring is all the warnings in Scripture that indicate (actually prove) that "genuine believers" can and will fall away from the faith (if not the truth) and/or become apostate. I can fill this post with similar warnings but why waste the server space when OSAS advocates bend over backwards to label these warnings either rhetorical or not applicable to “genuine believers”? You know (Omega) if “genuine believers” cannot fall away from the faith then why does Paul go to the trouble of warning the church (not those outside the church) about the consequences of faithlessness? What is interesting about what you emphasize in Scriptures like the above is Jesus and Paul taught about the consequences of falling away and falling away from the faith. According to Peter in 1 Peter 1:5 the power of God is through faith. As to your 1 John 2:19 he does not address those who become apostate since an apostate does not necessarily depart but willfully sins and many who willfully sin appeal to OSAS as their get out of the lake of fire free card. Another interesting aspect (at least to me) of this eternal vs. conditional security debate is that eternal security advocates totally ignore one word in Scripture and that one word is “faith”. I accepted OSAS for decades since I was raised attending the Presbyterian Church, which is based on 5 point Calvinism. When I started my ex-gay journey the PCUSA was teaching a liberal social gospel so I moved to the Southern Baptist Church, which also teaches OSAS. It was while attending SBC churches I changed my position. I asked a similar question (although not so extreme) of members of the SBC church I attended only I used gay members of the church I attended in my question. My question was particularly relevant to this particular congregation because their dearly beloved minister of youth (who was the brother of another minister on staff) came out as gay during a Sunday service and resigned his position. I asked if this minister was still saved and was told yes because “once saved always saved”, which totally denies 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and other Scriptures. So I asked them why any professing gay Christian should try to change. They quickly changed the subject and I changed churches. And by the way this was not a rhetorical question at least for that congregation since beside the gay youth minister two of the members were well known out and proud very wealthy gay doctors. All three gay men “confessed with their mouth and believed in their heart that Jesus Christ is Lord”, which is the Biblical description of a “genuine believer” who is an apostate. So now (Omega) or any other OSAS advocate would you care to address the real issue under debate and that issue can be summed up in one word and that word is “faith”. And no (Omega) I will not change my position since I have been there and found the doctrine of eternal security both false and not based on God’s inerrant infallible word since if I accepted OSAS I would be promoting gay theology and fighting homophobic Christians who don't practice "love your neighbor as yourself". |
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