ArchivedOSAS revisitedWith all due respect (Omega) your attempt to show that once one is born again they can never practice sin is both ludicrous and denies human nature. Also since you accept a pre-trib rapture to appeal to Revelation 7:2ff is a bit hypocritical since this verse applies to the 144,000, which if you had not taken these 2 verses out of context you would have understood from verse 4. As to 2 Timothy 2:19, once again you have pulled one verse totally out of context. Read the whole teaching and you will discover that Paul is using a household as a metaphore that contains vessels some of which are for honor and some for dishonor. What household is Paul referring to? Scripture states we are purchased with a price, which is true. But since the possessions that are purchased are human beings who have the ability to run away appealing to this truth does not prove your point. Since Truth Seeker-Joshua also brought Baptists into the discussion lets look at the Southern Baptist Church and how it deals with sin. The SBC stands on OSAS and has the highest rate of divorce and remarriage than any other Christian denomination. Now if you accept Matthew 19 as definitive truth the SBC is supporting its members practicing adultery. So based on what you have posted you don't see divorced and remarried SBC's or any other divorced and remarried Christian as genuine believers because they "practice a sin". The way you interpret being sealed by the Holy Spirit indicates one who is saved is sealed in a straight jacket or some rarified environment where they do not have to deal with tribulations that can lead genuine believers into apostasy or to totally deny the Lord and fall away from the faith, which denies what both Jesus and Paul taught a fact you have avoided by use of the phrase "genuine believer" and again without defining who is a "genuine believer". All you have to do to see the truth of Christians becoming apostates is to read the news. Mel White, Troy Perry, and a multitude of others who are genuine in their faith and even teach orthodoxy have become apostate by interpreting "love your neighbor" to include gay unions. Now you may deny these two men were genuine in their faith but I have met and talked with Troy Perry and I have read some of Mel White's articles before and after his defection to gay theology and your analysis of them from lack of real knowledge of who they are is both judgmental and wrong. One reason there are so many theologies we have to wade through is because so many people proof text their doctrines by pulling verses out of context, which is what you have done and what the SBC and other denominations have done in an attempt to justify OSAS. As TSJ noted above their are many who believe in OSAS who were once genuine believers who have become comfortably apostate because of that doctrine. |
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