ArchivedOSAS revisitedRhetoric? Hmmm....More like your misunderstanding of the words being construed, do you read my posts or just skim through them? Luke 8:13 uses "fall away" (aphistemi) and 1 Timothy 4:1 uses "shall depart from" also (aphistemi) Fall away; shall depart from:ajfivsthmi aphistemi, af-is'-tay-mee; from 575 and 2476; to remove, i.e. (actively) instigate to revolt; usually (reflexively) to desist, desert, etc.:--depart, draw (fall) away, refrain, withdraw self. Where does it actually state that those who "fall away or depart" from the faith actually possessed it? To fall away or depart from the faith is to remove oneself or withdraw from the Christian Doctrine, do you deny that a person can withdraw from the Christian Doctrine without possessing faith? I made several examples of how this is done in my previous post and you chose to ignore it and resort to your personal opinion of how a certain passage should be translated and at the same time accuse me of taking it out of context, when in fact you refused to understand it in "Plain English" (THE) is not a personal pronoun and your excuse "context" involves taking all the words of a teaching into consideration is absurd since this is exactly what you have overlooked regarding the nature of re-birth. THE FAITH clearly refers to the Christian Doctrine and not personal faith or conviction of God, in your attempts to deny this simple logic you reach for another loophole. My point? Of course Paul made that statement to all those in the church in Corinth, however not every member of the congregation can be positively identified as genuine believers, which is why Paul made such a statement that they are to examine themselves to ensure whether they were in fact genuine believers and not counterfeits, the counterfeits would fail when put to the test. This is the reason why Paul gave stern warnings of the possibility of departing from the faith.
LOL Aineo, I answered this in my previous post which you deleted: "lest possibly, after I have preached to others, I myself should be disqualified", Paul did not fear losing his Salvation, his matter was still Christian liberty. The point that is being made is not the possibility of losing ones salvation, but rather the Christian must discipline himself to avoid both being disqualified from Christian ministry and forfeiting their rewards for such service. The entire Chapter concerns his ministry, furthermore Paul himself declared in 2 Timothy 1:12 that he was persuaded (peitho) in the perfect tense, i,e., in the past and remains so now that (God is able to keep) referring to the assurance of salvation which is committed against that day. If that passage referred to Paul fearing that his salvation may be lost, then Paul is not only fickle but he also contradicts himself. Nice, a question with a question. I'm not going to avoid answering the question, the bible clearly teaches that a someone who is born of God cannot lose their Salvation and goes against the very nature of rebirth and a regenerate heart. In 1 Cor. 1:8 it states that Christ will confirm (strengthen, establish, make firm) us and present us blameless in the day of the Lord, God foreknew and predestined the believer to be conformed to the image of His Son (Rom. 8:29; Gal. 4:19). The power of God works within the born again believer (Eph. 1:19; 3:14-21). In your very own words:
Because these historians also acknowledge that Krishna, Mithra and other religious figure are one in the same! Tell me Aineo, Do you consider this person "Born Again" since he believes that Jesus is the Son of God? Secondly, you keep quoting Matthew 24 which keeps bringing me back to a pervious post you commented on: According to you in plain english, if this is the case then none of us are saved or have the possibility of losing our salvation until the end, LOL! And again with 1 Timothy 4? I have already explained in "PLAIN ENGLISH" how you and other conditional security adherents personal interpretations have completely taken that passage out of context. |
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