ArchivedOSAS revisitedIn anticipation of “you never respond to what I posted” I have taken the time to correct a couple of your personal interpretations, assumptions, and misunderstandings of KJ English. It seems you have to add and subtract words to Scripture in order to prove your thesis. In the first sentence of the above quote you not only combined two Scripture but you also added and subtracted words. So lets looks at each in turn and in context where you took them out of context. Do you understand the meaning of the word “earnest”? Most people don’t unless their pastor explains it or they check a dictionary. If not then do you understand the meaning of “escrow”? In dealing with contracts one party will sometimes be required to make an “earnest” (down payment) that is held in “escrow” until the contract is fulfilled. The “earnest” is usually held in a bank but the person who is due the promised work can also hold it. So the Holy Spirit is the down payment (earnest) of a promise (completed contract). In this case the completed contract is eternity with the Lord. Now either party to a contract can void the contract in which case the escrow account is closed (if deposited in a bank) and the money is refunded or the person holding it returns the “earnest”. So when a believer becomes apostate or falls away from the faith he returns the “earnest”, which in this case is the Holy Spirit. Now lets deal with the word “sealed”. Sealed can have a couple of meanings. It can mean to seal a container or to seal a legal document. If used to seal a container the seal must be broken to open that container. So yes an apostate believer can return the earnest, which requires breaking the seal. Now before you get all hyper about my use of legal concepts the New Testament is in fact a legal document or has it never entered your mind that “testament” is primarily used in legal matters? In fact a better translation of the original Greek is “covenant”. So if anyone is looking for a loophole to avoid the real issue it is those who advocate OSAS since OSAS advocates attempt to redefine words to make their case. For the above you have ignored one word in Ephesians 4:30 and that word is “grieve”. What grieves the Holy Spirit? This can be answered with one word and that word is sin. What happens when we sin? We can find the answer in 1 Thessalonians 5:19: Sin quenches the Spirit, which if done long enough is when believers fall away and/or become apostate. As to your interpretation of Hebrews 10:38 I have already covered that. So you see (Omega) your reasoning is filled with assumptions and a lack of understanding of Elizabethan English. And to anticipate the question what makes me think I understand Elizabethan English better than most people; the answer is I had a high school English teacher that made her class memorize portions of Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales in the original English, then recite it properly and then explain it in modern English. I have already dealt with both of these, the second Q&A in this post and the one concerning 1 John 5:5 in other posts but here it is again. You took 1 John 5:5 out of context, probably because it weakens you care. Our faith gives us victory so when a person looses their faith (falls away) then they no longer believe so your proof texts don’t defeat, disprove, or show that Jesus and Paul did not mean “genuine believers” would “fall away”. And btw, 1 John 5:5 does not contain “from the heart”. You pulled that phrase from Romans 10:9. You see (Omega) what you OSAS advocates refuse to accept is that a person can “confess with their mouth and believe in their heart” and later recant that confession and disbelieve in their heart, or to use Jesus’ and Paul’s terminology “fall away” and to deny this is to deny human nature and deny mankind has free will. |
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