beads wrote:Those that believe you can lose your salvation believe that you do so by committing apostacy, or by walking away from the faith in Christ that you once had. I don't think they think it's just a matter of committing a sin and losing salvation, rather to apostacize you must willfully deny Christ. Is that right, Aineo?
You are partially correct. Since as John wrote all sin:
1 John 1:9-10
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. NAS
In Hebrews we find:
Hebrews 10:26-31
26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain terrifying expectation of judgment, and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay." And again, "The Lord will judge His people." 31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God. NAS
Read verses 29-30 carefully, the writer is addressing members of the church and before you come back and state the writer is referring to non-bleivers remember what you posted concerning 2 Peter 3:9 on the thread dealing with predestination. Either Hebrews 10 is referring to born again Christians or 2 Peter 3:9 is not, you cannot pick and choose what applies to us and what does not based on manmade doctrines, which deny the inerrancy of Scripture.
Paul writes that the Holy Spirit explicitly says that some will fall away from the faith, which according to Revelation 21:7 means those that do not overcome (endure to the end) will spend eternity in the lake of fire. On another thread dealing with OSAS you quoted 1 John 5:4 in support of all that are saved will overcome, howere you left off the last phrase of that verse.
1 John 5:4
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. KJV
When you asked for Biblical examples of those who lost their faith you came back with "they were never saved in the first place" and without any Biblical proof to back up your statement.