Several times he has stated that this is jewish idiom, several times I have asked him to show us where this jewish idiom is in judaism, he has refused and has now given us an incredible linguistic and semantic acrobatics, he shows us an arabic dictionary that the word qawm really means clan, a phantom clan of the aaronites who Mary was affiliated with that never commited adultery(ofcourse there is no source for this but him and him alone), in other words he wants us to believe the verse is really saying that it refers to family, relatives or ancestors according to his dictionary submeanings. In other words he wants us to believe the verse really means:
I dont want you to believe anything. It is not why I am here. Again the Quran stated the act which they accused her of doing which was something unheard-of to her "qawm", which is not refering to the Jews in general whom many of them have a long history of commiting adultry and fornication.
Considering this fellow has numerously stated that this is jewish idiom and has so far failed despite numerous requests to show us where this idiom is in judaism, it is obvious we are dealing with a liar. Where is this idiom in judaism? this has been my question for the last umpteen posts.
Hmmm...now I am a lier ? I dont need them. The Quran is sufficient to which we have established our selves on those grounds.
Did you? What on earth makes you think I was talking about the tanakh and the christian bible? Tell me something what is the context of my post in reference to bible versions? Do you honestly believe I was talking about judaism and chrisitianity or the versions of the christian bible?
Hmm. You didnt say Christian Bible. You said Bible. Isnt the Tanakh the oldtestament of the Bible ? Isnt it still G-D's word being that is translated from the same source ?
The online translation says: "You said to the people take me and my mother god" If this is not a clear reference to the trinity (as understood by Mohammed consisting of Jesus Mary and God the Father, a Marianite heresy)I don't know what is, why did Yusuf Ali include trinity in his translation if it didn't?, why are you purposefully misinterpreting your koran, where are you getting this convenient translations that contradicts the majority?? why are you being so deceptive?
Where is the third G-D that is included in that verse? Again your having illusions. Also the Arabic word for TRINITY "thaaluuth" does not exist in the Quran. Abdullah Yusaf Ali usage of the word is an interpolation of his. Post any verses from the Quran that he uses the word TRINITY and I will post the Arabic for you to use [that if your online translator tool can translate it correctly] showing the actual used in Arabic.
It is not the same
Did you read what I typed?
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""So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die , and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!"
Why is that word in bold in there?
Let us put aside this obvious fabricated commentary that Mohammed simply regurgitated that both John and Jesus said, why is that word in bold in there?, coincidentally it is not in there for John
Why dont you you go use your little online tool translator see what if gives you. There is no "again" in the Arabic this is merely the translators own interpolation. "
why is that word in bold in there?, coincidentally it is not in there for John " Hmm lets see have you ever went back to the the translation of which you obtained that verse from to check the verse with John to see if (again) is also with John. Who is lieing here ? You never read the Quran but your making this blunt statement but fail to produce the proof from the translation.
Again you have never read the Quran not even the translations, but yet you make remark about what the Quran says or doesnt say. Hmm as I said your a wishful thinker. The above is the translation of Abdullah Yusaf Ali.
This is what the online translation gives for that verse to make any logical sense of it:
peace on him the day he is born, the day he dies, and the day he is being sent to come!
but this is the literal word for word translation: A peace was born on him and a day dies and a day is being sent to come!
If you are wondering why the above is unintelligible you are not alone this is where personal interpolations () come in, I read a scholar who was to authenticate a quran fragment said one in six of the arabic could not be properly translated.
Prejudice man. That is what you are. You apply that online translation tool to that verse but not to the verse with Jesus let just see what it says :
Source text:
وَ السَّلامُ عَلَيَّ يَوْمَ وُلِدتُّ وَ يَوْمَ أمُوتُ وَ يَوْمَ أُبْعَثُ حيًّا
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The peace on me day is وُلِدتُّ day I die and day I send a quarter
That is what it translated for the statement of Jesus. It couldnt translate it, in which your little gadget failed the test to know how to translate Quranic Arabic which is not like modern Arabic. Such simple words, I give it an "F" for dependability.
If you look at the transliteration I gave you there is word for word use with the exception of the pronouns for "I" and "him" . So this is to tell you if it couldnt translate the statement pertaining to Jesus then how can you sit there and tell these people that it is a word for word translation for Yahya when you are ignorant of Arabic ? How many times are you going to be told that Quranic Arabic is NOT like Modern Arabic ~ in which your online tool is translating in the nature of. So I guess everyone should think like you now "If you are wondering why the above is unintelligible you are not alone" so I guess this goes for the same of the statement related to Jesus which turns out a more horrible translation.
wa(and) assalam (the peace) alaiya (upon me) yawma (day) wulidtu ( I was born) wa (and) yawma (day) amootu ( I die) wa (and) yawma (day) ub'athu (I am revived) hayyaa (life)
Translation : "and Peace be upon me (Jesus) the day I was born and the day I die and the day I am revived to life"
wa(and) salamun ( a peace ) alaihi (upon him) yawma (day) wulida ( he was born ) wa (and) yawma (day) yamootu ( he dies) wa (and) yawma (day) yub'athu (he is revived) hayyaa (life)
Translation: "and peace be upon him (Yahya) the day he was born and the day he dies and the day he is revived to life"
Looks that same to me. Oh I forgot you have bad reading comprehension.
Iddaah: Period of waiting
Iddah is a period during which a woman waits after the death of her husband or divorce, and she is not allowed to marry during this period. The Muslim jurists have unanimously agreed on it as being waajib (obligatory), due to the explicitness of the Quranic injunction, whereby Allah saying: The divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods.[v]
There are three types of Iddah. The first one is of birth-a woman must wait until she delivers her child before she can remarry. A common erroneous idea among people is a pregnant woman cannot be divorced. Rather there is a consensus on this point among the scholars that this is a Sunnah divorce and heresy (bidah). There is no dispute regarding its validity.
The second type is the Iddah of menses, meaning a woman is not allowed to marry until she has three menstruations. As soon as the third period ends, Iddah ends. This is the view of many of the elite companions such as Umar, Ali and ibn Masud, and it was narrated by ibn al-Qayyim. This is also the view by the majority of contemporary scholars such as ibn Baaz and Uthaymeen.
The third type is the Iddah of months, which applies to women who have passed the age of menstruation. In this case, the Iddah is three months. As for a woman who is divorced by her husband before he has consummated his marriage with her, then there is no waiting period that applies to her, according to the Quran (Al-Ahzaab S:33 , V:49 ).
http://www.zawaj.com/articles/talaq_scales2.html
That what you made reference to. Regardless of what situation it maybe the woman has to wait
three months before she can remarry again, and yes I was wrong about a widowed woman ~ she is to also wait three months or three menstral cycles [ie three month or more] before she can remarry again. Through out, you kept propounding on SEX ie consumation which had nothing to do with Iddah as interpolated into your [ ].
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Zaid went on until he came to her and she was fermenting her flour. He (Zaid) said: As I saw her I felt in my heart an idea of her greatness so much so that I could not see towards her (simply for the fact) that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had made a mention of her [Let us get this straight Mohammed told his son to go and mention him to his son's wife? the son goes to his wife and feels her greatness??? do you honestly believe this?]
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Zaid was his adopted son not his real son or biological son.
What is this suppose to prove? it is ok to sleep with your adopted son's wife?
So this is it. Your trying to degrade our Prophet cause he married his adopted son's wife. I dont see anything wrong with that. Who declaired such a thing as immoral or against the will of G-D ? It seems you are mixing up your American cultural perspectives with that of something that predates you.
Exodus 6:20
Amram married his father's sister Jochebed, who bore him Aaron and Moses. Amram lived 137 years.
(Whole Chapter: Exodus 6 In context: Exodus 6:19-21)
Here we have in the Bible a man marrying his Aunt who never was condemned for it, neither by G-D, or his people. Obviously it seemed ok to marrying and having children with your aunt.
Genesis 20
11 Abraham replied, "I said to myself, 'There is surely no fear of God in this place, and they will kill me because of my wife.' 12 Besides, she really is my sister, the daughter of my father though not of my mother; and she became my wife.
Seems like it was ok here to. Tons of incest in the bible as what we call it in American, or was it considered such a thing back then ? Lets get some more
Micah: Sister of Lot, married their uncle, Nahor. "The name of Nahor's wife was Milcah; she was the daughter of Haran, the father of both Milcah and Iscah." (Gen 11:29) NIV
Isaac: Abraham's son married his own second cousin, Rebekah. "Some time later Abraham was told, 'Milcah is also a mother; she has borne sons to your brother Nahor: Uz the firstborn, Buz his brother, Kemuel (the father of Aram), Kesed, Hazo, Pildash, Jidlaph and Bethuel.' Bethuel became the father of Rebekah." (Gen 22:20-23) NIV
Jacob: Married two of his first cousins, daughters of his mother's brother. "Now Laban had two daughters; the name of the older was Leah, and the name of the younger was Rachel… he took his daughter Leah and gave her to Jacob, and Jacob lay with her… Jacob lay with Rachel also" (Gen 29:16-30) NIV
Perez: The twin brother of Zerah, they are the offspring of Judah and his son's wife Tamar. "When Tamar was told, 'Your father-in-law is on his way to Timnah to shear his sheep,' she took off her widow's clothes, covered herself with a veil to disguise herself… When Judah saw her, he thought she was a prostitute, for she had covered her face. Not realizing that she was his daughter-in-law, he went over to her by the road-side and said, 'Come now, let me sleep with you.'… When the time came for her to give birth, there were twin boys in her womb. (Gen 38:13-27) NIV
Michal: Originally betrothed to David, she was later wed to Paltiel until David kidnapped her. "David said: 'I will make an agreement with you. But I demand one thing of you: Do not come into my presence unless you bring Michal daughter of Saul when you come to see me.' Then David sent messengers to Ish-Bosheth son of Saul, demanding, 'Give me my wife Michal, whom I betrothed to myself for the price of a hundred Philistine foreskins.' So Ish-Bosheth gave orders and had her taken away from her husband Paltiel" (2 Sam 3:13-15) NIV
Bathsheba: Conceived her first son by David while still married to Uriah. "The man said, 'Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?' Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her." (2 Sam 11:3-4) NIV
The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD.
(Whole Chapter: Hosea 1 In context: Hosea 1:1-3)
Hmm lets see we got all types of prophets, and holy men of G-D marring Aunts, Uncles, taking other mens wives, and marrying whores, but you wanna nit pick on our Prophet for marrying his adopted son's wife? How pathetic.
Why don't you respond to the other hadiths I showed?
How many times are we going to tell you that if anything conflicts with Quran it is rejected. Just like you dont accept any hadith that speaks good about Muhammad you reject also.
So tell me, what does Safiyah have to do with Zaids marriage to Zainab or any of the topics formerly posted? Oh I see, now you are running off on another topic.
Are you even reading what you are pasting? This was a response to this post:
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About Surah 33:53
Muslim Book 008, Hadith Number 3328.
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Chapter : Excellence of emancipating a slave-girl and then marrying her.
Anas (Allah be pleased with him) reported: I was sitting ...Allah, the Majestic and the Glorious, defeated them (the inhabitants of Khaibar), and there fell to the lot of Dihya a beautiful girl, and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) got her in exchange of seven heads, and then entrusted her to Umm Sulaim so that she might embellish her and prepare her (for marriage) with him. He (the narrator) said: He had been under the impression that he had said that so that she might spend her period of 'Iddah in her (Umm Sulaim's) house. (The woman) was Safiyya daughter of Huyayy
why dont you read the rest of the hadith. It speaks of two different events of marriage.
......Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) arranged the wedding feast consisting of dates, cheese, and refined butter, and pits were dug and tiers were set in them dining cloths, and there was brought cheese and refined butter, and these were placed there. And the people ate to their fill, and they said: We do not know whether he (the Holy Prophet) had married her (as a free woman), or as a slave woman. They said: If he (the Holy Prophet) would make her wear the veil, then she would be a (free married) woman, and if he would not make her wear the veil, then she should be a slave woman. When he intended to ride, he made her wear the veil and she sat on the hind part of the camel; so they came to know that he had married her. As they approached Medina, Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) drove (his ride) quickly and so we did. 'Adba' (the name of Allah's Apostle's camel) stumbled and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) fell down and she (Radrat Safiyya: also fell down. He (the Holy Prophet) stood up and covered her; the woman looked towards her and said: May Allah keep away the Jewess! He (the narrator) said: I said: Aba Hamza, did Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) really fall down? He said: Yes, by Allah, he in fact fell down. Anas said: I also saw the wedding feast of Zainab , and he (the Holy Prophet) served bread and meat to the people, and made them eat to their heart's content, and he (the Holy Prophet) sent me to call people, and as he was free (from the ceremony) he stood up and I followed him. Two persons were left and they were busy in talking and did not get out (of the apartment). He (the Holy Prophet) then proceeded towards (the apartments of) his wives. He greeted with as-Salamu 'alaikum to every one of them and said: Members of the household, how are you? They said: Messenger of Allah, we are in good state 'How do you find your family? He would say: In good state. When he was free from (this work of exchanging greetings) he came back, and I also came back along with him. And as he reached the door, (he found) that the two men were still busy in talking. And when they saw him having returned, they stood up and went out; and by Allah! I do not know whether I had informed him, or there was a revelation to him (to the affect) that they had gone. He (the Holy Prophet) then came back and I also returned along with him, and as he put his step on the threshold of his door he hung a curtain between me and him, and (it was on this occasion) that Allah revealed this verse: ("O you who believe), do not enter the houses of the Prophet unless permission is given to 'you" (xxxiii. 53).
Surah 33:53 has nothing to do with Safiyah. The narrator of the hadith is speaking about two marriage events in the past in the life time of the Prophet that have nothing to do with each other. It doesnt indicate the prophet was married to Zainab and Safiyah at the same time or to more than 4 wives. Again you and your non comprehending reading skills.
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About Surah 66: 1-4
Muslim Book 009, Hadith Number 3496-3497.
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Chapter : Atonement is essential for one who made his wife unlawful for himself without the intention of divorce.
'Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) narrated that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) used to spend time with Zainab daughter of Jahsh and drank honey at her house. She ('Aisha further) said: I and Hafsa agreed that one whom Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) would visit first should say: I notice that you have an odour of the Maghafir (gum of mimosa). He (the Holy Prophet) visited one of them and she said to him like this, whereupon he said: I have taken honey in the house of Zainab bint Jabsh and I will never do it again. It was at this (that the following verse was revealed): Why do you hold to be forbidden what Allah has made lawful for you... (up to). If you both ('Aisha and Hafsa) turn to Allah" up to: "And when the Holy Prophet confided an information to one of his wives" (lxvi. 3). This refers to his saying: But I have taken honey.
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This is the hadith on the link I gave you
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Bukhari vol 3 43 648:... The Prophet did not go to his wives because of the secret which Hafsa had disclosed to 'Aisha, and he said that he would not go to his wives for one month as he was angry with them when Allah admonished him (for his oath that he would not approach Maria)
What do you think is happening here? which is the more logical hadith? Is this to do with a literal honey? or a cheating husband. What is the context of approach in this hadith? Remember the verses "approach your wives when and how ye will" .."do not approach them till they are clean".
Here we go again. The secret is that the two wives played a trick on the prophet with the honey in which the prophet had prohibited for himself in which 66:1-4 was revealed. And yes let us look at that half edited hadith you posted in it actual context that you have never read before except what has been dictated to you.
Bukhari Volumn 003, Book 043, Hadith Number 648.
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Narated By 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas : I had been eager to ask 'Umar about the two ladies from among the wives of the Prophet regarding whom Allah said (in the Qur'an saying): If you two (wives of the Prophet namely 'Aisha and Hafsa) turn in repentance to Allah your hearts are indeed so inclined (to oppose what the Prophet likes) (66.4), till performed the Hajj along with 'Umar (and on our way back from Hajj) he went aside (to answer the call of nature) and I also went aside along with him carrying a tumbler of water. When he had answered the call of nature and returned. I poured water on his hands from the tumbler and he performed ablution. I said, "O Chief of the believers! ' Who were the two ladies from among the wives of the Prophet to whom Allah said:
'If you two return in repentance (66.4)? He said, "I am astonished at your question, O Ibn 'Abbas. They were 'Aisha and Hafsa." Then 'Umar went on relating the narration and said. "I and an Ansari neighbor of mine from Bani Umaiya bin Zaid who used to live in 'Awali Al-Medina, used to visit the Prophet in turns. He used to go one day, and I another day. When I went I would bring him the news of what had happened that day regarding the instructions and orders and when he went, he used to do the same for me. We, the people of Quraish, used to have authority over women, but when we came to live with the Ansar, we noticed that the Ansari women had the upper hand over their men, so our women started acquiring the habits of the Ansari women. Once I shouted at my wife and she paid me back in my coin and I disliked that she should answer me back. She said, 'Why do you take it ill that I retort upon you? By Allah, the wives of the Prophet retort upon him, and some of them may not speak with him for the whole day till night.' What she said scared me and I said to her, 'Whoever amongst them does so, will be a great loser.'
Then I dressed myself and went to Hafsa and asked her, 'Does any of you keep Allah's Apostle angry all the day long till night?' She replied in the affirmative. I said, 'She is a ruined losing person (and will never have success)! Doesn't she fear that Allah may get angry for the anger of Allah's Apostle and thus she will be ruined? Don't ask Allah's Apostle too many things, and don't retort upon him in any case, and don't desert him. Demand from me whatever you like, and don't be tempted to imitate your neighbor (i.e. 'Aisha) in her behavior towards the Prophet), for she (i.e. 'Aisha) is more beautiful than you, and more beloved to Allah's Apostle.
In those days it was rumored that Ghassan, (a tribe living in Sham) was getting prepared their horses to invade us. My companion went (to the Prophet on the day of his turn, went and returned to us at night and knocked at my door violently, asking whether I was sleeping. I was scared (by the hard knocking) and came out to him. He said that a great thing had happened. I asked him: What is it? Have Ghassan come? He replied that it was worse and more serious than that, and added that Allah's Apostle had divorced all his wives. I said, Hafsa is a ruined loser! I expected that would happen some day.' So I dressed myself and offered the Fajr prayer with the Prophet. Then the Prophet entered an upper room and stayed there alone. I went to Hafsa and found her weeping. I asked her, 'Why are you weeping? Didn't I warn you? Have Allah's Apostle divorced you all?' She replied, 'I don't know. He is there in the upper room.' I then went out and came to the pulpit and found a group of people around it and some of them were weeping. Then I sat with them for some time, but could not endure the situation. So I went to the upper room where the Prophet was and requested to a black slave of his: "Will you get the permission of (Allah's Apostle) for Umar (to enter)? The slave went in, talked to the Prophet about it and came out saying, 'I mentioned you to him but he did not reply.' So, I went and sat with the people who were sitting by the pulpit, but I could not bear the situation, so I went to the slave again and said: "Will you get he permission for Umar? He went in and brought the same reply as before. When I was leaving, behold, the slave called me saying, "Allah's Apostle has granted you permission." So, I entered upon the Prophet and saw him lying on a mat without wedding on it, and the mat had left its mark on the body of the Prophet, and he was leaning on a leather pillow stuffed with palm fires. I greeted him and while still standing, I said: "Have you divorced your wives?' He raised his eyes to me and replied in the negative. And then while still standing, I said chatting: "Will you heed what I say, 'O Allah's Apostle! We, the people of Quraish used to have the upper hand over our women (wives), and when we came to the people whose women had the upper hand over them..."
'Umar told the whole story (about his wife). "On that the Prophet smiled." 'Umar further said, "I then said, 'I went to Hafsa and said to her: Do not be tempted to imitate your companion ('Aisha) for she is more beautiful than you and more beloved to the Prophet.' The Prophet smiled again. When I saw him smiling, I sat down and cast a glance at the room, and by Allah, I couldn't see anything of importance but three hides. I said (to Allah's Apostle) "Invoke Allah to make your followers prosperous for the Persians and the Byzantines have been made prosperous and given worldly luxuries, though they do not worship Allah?' The Prophet was leaning then (and on hearing my speech he sat straight) and said, 'O Ibn Al-Khatttab! Do you have any doubt (that the Hereafter is better than this world)? These people have been given rewards of their good deeds in this world only.' I asked the Prophet. 'Please ask Allah's forgiveness for me. The Prophet did not go to his wives because of the secret which Hafsa had disclosed to 'Aisha, and he said that he would not go to his wives for one month as he was angry with them when Allah admonished him (for his oath that he would not approach Maria). When twenty-nine days had passed, the Prophet went to 'Aisha first of all. She said to him, 'You took an oath that you would not come to us for one month, and today only twenty-nine days have passed, as I have been counting them day by day.' The Prophet said, 'The month is also of twenty-nine days.' That month consisted of twenty-nine days. 'Aisha said, 'When the Divine revelation of Choice was revealed, the Prophet started with me, saying to me, 'I am telling you something, but you needn't hurry to give the reply till you can consult your parents." 'Aisha knew that her parents would not advise her to part with the Prophet. The Prophet said that Allah had said:
'O Prophet! Say To your wives; If you desire The life of this world And its glitter... then come! I will make a provision for you and set you free In a handsome manner. But if you seek Allah And His Apostle, and The Home of the Hereafter, then Verily, Allah has prepared For the good-doers amongst you A great reward.' (33.28) 'Aisha said, 'Am I to consult my parents about this? I indeed prefer Allah, His Apostle, and the Home of the Hereafter.' After that the Prophet gave the choice to his other wives and they also gave the same reply as 'Aisha did."
And here is the WHOLE context of Surah 66 pertaining to taht issue that you and your contemporaries kept on disecting:
Surah 66
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
[1] O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts but Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
[2] Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths (in some cases): and Allah is your Protector, and He is Full of Knowledge and Wisdom.
[3] When the Prophet disclosed a matter of confidence to one of his consorts, and she then divulged it (to another), and Allah made it known to him, he confirmed part thereof and repudiated a part. Then when he told her thereof, she said, "Who told thee this?" He said, "He told me Who knows and is well-acquainted (with all things)."
[4] If ye two turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; but if ye back up each other against him, truly Allah is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe, and furthermore, the angels will back (him) up.
[5] It may be, if he divorced you (all), that Allah will give him in exchange Consorts better than you, who submit (their wills), who believe, who are devout, who turn to Allah in repentance, who worship (in humility), who travel (for Faith) and fast, previously married or virgins.
Lets see what else your reading ability brought you to conclude
Zaid then went to the prophet and said to him, “I have been told that you came to my house so, by my father and mother, why didn’t you enter? Perhaps if Zaynab is desirous to you I shall leave her.” .[This is the most illogical excuse I have ever heard for a man to want to divorce his wife, absolutely ridiculous]
I almost thought here you werent an American. So tell me when last did you watch The Opra or Jerry Springer show ?
When Allah said, “Thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest,” means that the prophet hid in his heart his desire for Zaid to depart from Zaynab so that he may marry her, and Allah will reveal what you are concealing in your heart concerning this.
The Almighty said, “Thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah,” because Allah was telling the prophet who feared people might say, “He ordered a man to divorce his wife so that he himself may marry her after she is divorced,” and Allah aught to be feared more than people.
Narrated by Younis, narrated by Ibn Wahab, narrated by Ibn Zaid who said, “The prophet –pbuh- had married Zaid son of Haritha to his cousin Zaynab daughter of Jahsh. One day the prophet – pbuh- went seeking Zaid in his house, whose door had a curtain made of hair. The wind blew the curtain and the prophet saw Zaynab in her room unclothed and he admired her in his heart. When Zaynab realized that the prophet desired her she began to hate Zaid
This is really interesting here. You and the narrator of that hadith are now playing the double Psychic roll now. Use your head. How did Younis know this. Who told him this and where is he getting this from. The hadith is "da'if" unauthentic. I can understand if he said the prophet told him, but nothing of the such is in the hadith.
If you can see such detailed description in a few ambiguous lines that are inaccurate, I think you are seriously giving more credit than is due, it is symptomatic of a religion bereft of any prophecies or miracles for the followers to hang onto any crumbs to claim a miracle when it is clearly not there; just blinded zeal; that since Mohammed may have been illiterate then it must have been God that 'inspired' him, what about the alternative, that it was the devil that did.
For a person of such poor reading comprehension and who lack in science of course such a thing would be ambiguous to you. Blinded zeal ? No. The person who makes such accusations is guilty of his own accussation in which you are blinded by you own prejudice.
I am curious why you bring this up, David was punished God let him know he had sinned, allah on the other hand gives Mohammed the thumbs up, something is clearly wrong
O really so please show our audience this punishment for this so called crime and also while your at it show us his admonishment for sleeping with another mans wife [ Note: We do not believe David did such unrightious things]
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And Also the number of wives our Prophet married in his life time is far more remote from that of number of wives the Jewish Prophets had at ONE TIME. While they still remained as prophets of G-D.
Which prophets are you talking about?
What did you get comatose on me ? David, Abraham, Solomon etc.
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Let me remind you the topic started out with speaking about the moon god propaganda. We were suppose to be speaking about that, but however because of your enmity towards islam and our beloved prophet, you went off the topic to something else totally different from the main subject. Why did you do this ? Were you hoping that you would shake my faith ? You want to have a debate but you couldnt stick to the topic.
Logic ? How could you apply logic to Islamic teachings when your views are biased, and interjected with the indoctrination of Americanism (ie. cultral perspectives) and christian perspectives ? Where is the logic that three are one 3/1= [?] or 1/3 = [?]. And where is the logic that G-D begets a child, but G-D is the child or his son and then yet some spooky interchangable spirit ?
Also, where does your logic kick in with this when you have never read the Quran for your self rather than have it dictated to you, nor the hadith? Your study is confined to one propagated source, not to mention you are void of Arabic, and lack in understanding translations.
I think for a person to revolve his study on christian propaganda about another religion is indeed illogical. If you want to know about how to fly a plane and its mechanics who do you go to, a sailor or a pilot ? You chose a sailor. That not logical of a choice.
After several posts why is it now that you bring this up?. What happened to the fellow that was going to play chess with us in hebrew, arabic, aramaic and koine greek, you don't want to debate anymore? don't you recall I said I was hoping to show you islam is derived from paganism? You are worshipping the thoughts and actions of a very sick man, this is idolatry
No you have mistaken me. It is not for you, it is for our audience. What you have been wanting to nit pick about and criticize for your wanton efforts have greator problems of criticism in your own books. Also I have never stopped playing chess with any of you with Arabic etc.
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The reason why I quoted other non muslim commentors as to the issue of Zaid and Zainab is to show their views and study of the subject is contrary to yours, whom have acquinted them selves with the study of the Quran and the Hadiths which you have not, and that your views, that contradict theirs, are not facts but are of a prejudice opinion.
Which hadiths are they using? If they are not using any hadiths why should I (or you for that matter) believe a word they say remember what we agreed?
Their comments are extracted from hadiths and Quran. You should go read their books and find out for your self. Most of them are Christians whom are well more educated than you in the fields of Islam and Christianity. They did not or are not reading christian propaganda. They studied Quran and hadith in their chain of authority that you biasly do not follow and have never read in their contexts