Christian/Muslim ThreadsThe moon god - al-ilahThis is is facinating. This was based on the presentation of the Arabic Text of The Quran that was exaustfully explained by us, not by other translators inaccurate works that you kept retreating to who were not fully grounded in the english language. To show flaw in the translators works that you and your contemporaries took advantage of I produced legitimate grounds of why their translations are rejected as an authoritive and credible Tafsir (explanation): 1) We provided the root words in which each particular word is derived from and their original meaning associated with its root, 2) We also provided transliterations of the text with the closest literal meaning in (english) to show other translators interpolations, 3) the general meaning given to the arabic words in which their roots do not support are modern medical terminologies of the which was not the original meaning the arabic words as understood in the time of Muhammad, 4) and their translations are their own interpretation of the Arabic text which was not based on the literacy of the Arabic words and their root meanings. You were to disprove and show inaccuracy in our Tafsir. This is where the challenge was at. However, your critic sources that you posted was not based on our Tafsir, but based on another translators work that was inaccurate and poor. I am an arabic speaker you cannot debate with with me showing that the Arabic Quran is inaccurate in its discription of human embryology by relying on an english translation. You would have to come from the Arabic text its self with Tafsir in english to show how it is inaccurate, or use the Tafsir we gave you and have an embryologist to find it inaccurate. Your contemporary critics have relied on translations of Quran rather than going to the Arabic text it self, the same with hadeeth you posted about the accumulation of 40 days inside of our mothers. I used the same grounds of 1-4 above was applied to that hadeeth as well. Their finding of inaccuracies are on translations and not the original source. Obviously you know nothing of islam. Not all muslims BELIEVE in a second coming of Jesus. As a matter of fact the Quran REJECTS such a second coming. If the Hadith that mentions the second coming of Jesus is taken literally then it would contradict the Quran as the Quran makes it very clear he will not be seen again until the Day of Judgement.
When Jesus was raised up to Allah in the Heaven he became DECEASED (mutawafan). There is no second return in which he will only appear for the second time on the Day of Judgment after the physical resurrection of all mankind. Jesus was a Prophetic Messenger of Allah in Islam, for him to come again after Muhammad would mean there would be another prophet to come after Muhammad which contradicts Quran: The Hadith you follow reported by Tabari , Ishaq, Bukhari, and Muslim, if taken literally contradicts Quran. However you should have paid more attention to the Hadith then you would see it is symbolical. "The Cross" What cross is this that he is going to "break" ? There are millions of crosses in Christianity. "The Cross" is a symbol and representation of "The Crucifixion of Christ". The breaking the cross is the annihilation of the crucifixion belief. " The Pigs" and in some hadith it is singular as "The Pig". What pigs is he going to kill ? There are millions of pigs all over the word. In other Hadiths Jesus is to comback to kill an imposter Messiah called "Al-Masiha Dajjal" and those who follow him. "There will be no Jizya" this means if taken literally he would abrogate the Quranic law on Jizya [SubhaanaAllah] as a prophet and would contradict Quran. Rather at this time there will be no Jew or Christian or none muslim at this time whom Jizya can be applied to in which the second coming of Jesus is a symbolical return not literal when islam will be the dominant relgion in the world (may this post last until that time) Allah never said such a thing in the Quran to what you are implying : We do not abrogate any of our revelations or cause it to be forgotten unless We provide something better than it or its like. Do you not know that Allah is omnipotent over everything ? (2:106) If the revelation is fogotten it is replaced with something better than it or something simular to it. Translations do not give 100% accuracy of the language it is being translated from. It must be aided by Tafsir or Explanation of the text to fully have an understand of the text it self. You obviously dont understand this cause you are not bi or tri lingual. It is fact you cannot translate from one language into anther language word for word in which you lose meaning, and in some case some words cannot be translated but have to be expressed. This is a general problem with not only the Quran or Hadiths but also with the Bible and Jewish literature and any religious literature, thats why they keep coming out with english REVISED versions. English out of all the Langauges is completely Alien to the Semetic language which has more vague content in it character than in any other language in the world thus being a bastard language. There you go again interjecting your beliefs, this again is not about the teachings of Christianity is about Islam. You keep interjecting your Christian belief. As I have said your study of islam is not scientific but passive bias based on a Christian perspective. You have a brain but cant use it. Maybe because it is too focused on one thing. In the Quran Maryam is "the daughter of Imran" in which she is also called "Sister of Aaron" as you mentioned it. How many Jesus' are there in the Bible, How many Jews called them selves Moses, Aaron, Miryam, Levi, David, etc.. You make it sound like after all those years that none of the Levite and Aaronite descendants didnt call themself by the name of their forefathers. I mean you got a whole possie of Marys running around in the new testament. So dont you think the Levites also named them selves after their forfathers ? Also you forgot a valuable part of the Quran, Maryam was the only child and daughter of Imran and his wife. After her parents died she was put into the custody of Zakariyya (Zechariah) according to Jewish custom. Maryam was an Aaronite of the levite tribe Maryam was the cousin of Elizabeth who was an Aaronite in which Maryam's uncle or aunt was her father or mother. Thus Maryam's Father or Mother was the sister or brother of Elizabeths mother or father. Heli (Eli) was not the father of Maryam but was the father of Joseph according to the bible Look at that genealogy and tell me how many times you see the name Levi, Judah etc..being used for the descendants of that Tribe. The two genealogies are of Joseph not Mary. Heli (Eli) is not the father of Mary. In the Quran Maryam was addressed as " Sister of Aaron" this is Jewish idiom. The arabic word "ukhti" = "sister" in english have the same multiple meaning. Maryam was an Aaronite, A sister of the Aaronhood. "Sister of Aaron" was her respectable title whom belonged to the sisterhood of the Aaronites That hadith like many others contradict each others and the Quran. I told you to go do the math. The hadith CONTRADICTS historical time lines an events. I gave you the facts and evidence that are clean cut and clear on my former post. 2+2 does not equal 6, maybe in Christianity with blind faith, but not in Islam Imagine that. We do to, however we distinguish what is false and true with the Quran. And your statement for it self manifests your motives. |
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