Christian/Muslim ThreadsThe moon god - al-ilahYou know it becomes pointless if all anybody does is quote and plagiarise what academics have to say on a matter, what about their own God given logic when applied to their scruptures? what exactly does the holy books have to say, what does the quran and sunnah have to say this should take precedence over any apologetic material.
Let us apply some common sense here, the alledged christian missionaries and orientalists did not reach the conclusion that allah is a contraction of " al ilah" by themselves, I am quite frankly surprised you can make such a claim that the arabic language makes no leeway for such a contraction, when we both know arabic is a difficult language precisely because words can be contracted and have several meanings based from the contraction. Look at this phrase: "La ilaha illa-llah" Every arabic speaker knows it literally means " there is no god except the god" so which term is the god? and which term simply means 'god'? The term 'Rasulu-llah' or "rasullah" means "slave of god" which term is god? There are numerous muslim material that state that "allah" is a contraction of "al -ilah" are you honestly telling us they are all in error?
Imagine this scenario if you will, say I created my own religion, I saw a piece of granite and I decided that this piece of granite was to hold my god, the house of my god, but the local pagans already had a name for that piece of granite and already had their stone idols in it, and I tell them "my god is the one true god", but I call my god, and the house that he purportedly lives in after the name the local pagans had already given it ie house of the god. My point is this if I created any old idol and claimed it to be the one true God and the same God as the jews and the christians serve does it make it so? Does it make it so even if I call that idol by the name of God used by other arab christians that have simply assimilated the name into their language centuries after I initiated it? I would like to show extracts from http://www.prophetofdoom.net/ the whole site is worth reading purely for the sunnah material which many muslims have no information about. Tabari VII:20/Ishaq:288 “The Quraysh said, ‘Muhammad and his Companions have violated the sacred month, shed blood, seized property, and taken men captive.’ The polytheists spread lying slander concerning him, saying, ‘Muhammad claims that he is following obedience to Allah, yet he is the first to violate the holy month and to kill our companion in Rajab Have a look at the above hadith, why on earth would the ploytheists associate allah with a sacred month this is directly implied by the statement "Muhammad claims that he is following obedience to Allah, yet he is the first to violate the holy month and to kill our companion in Rajab" This tells me the polytheists/pagans were already aware of allah and even associated him with the ritual of Rahab it implies they were already worshipping allah, as a side note what kind of a god respects pagan festivals and declares them the perfect religion: sura 9:36 "The count of months, as far as GOD is concerned, is twelve. This has been GOD's law, since the day He created the heavens and the earth. Four of them are sacred. This is the perfect religion; you shall not wrong your souls (by fighting) during the Sacred Months. However, you may declare all-out war against the idol worshipers (even during the Sacred Months), when they declare all-out war against you, and know that GOD is on the side of the righteous. " Ishaq:66/Tabari VI:2 “It is alleged, and Allah only knows the truth, that Abdul Muttalib encountered opposition when he was digging Zamzam. He vowed that if given ten sons, to make his labor less arduous and to protect him, he would sacrifice one of them to Allah [ This is a pagan praying to allah a generation before Mohammed] at the Ka’aba.” Ishaq:67 “They used to conduct their affairs according to the decisions of the arrows.” By throwing arrows at the feet of the head idol in the ka'aa which was Hubal. Am I to believe that the man would be praying to allah and then ask another idol for the decision? does that make any sense? Ibn Ishaq’s Sira opens with a section entitled: “Muhammad’s Pure Descent from Adam.” Ishaq:3 “This is the book of the Biography of the Apostle of Allah. Muhammad was the son of Abdallah, bin Abdul Muttalib, bin Hashim, bin Abd Manaf, bin Qusayy,” Tabari VI:20 “Qusayy asked his mother which tribe he came from. She answered, ‘You are the son of Kilab ibn Murra ibn Ka’b ibn Luhayy ibn Ghalib ibn Fihr ibn Malik ibn al-Nadr ibn Kinana al-Qurashi.’” “Your tribe lives in Mecca by the Ka’aba. …This revelation awoke in Qusayy a strong desire to return to Mecca and join his people, the Quraysh.” “‘Wait for a sacred month and go with the pilgrimage.’ Qusayy waited until the sacred month arrived and the pilgrims set out. When he reached Mecca and had completed the pilgrimage, he remained there.” “At the time Hulayl was in charge of the Ka’aba and ruled in Mecca. Qusayy asked him for the hand of his daughter Hubba in marriage “Hubba bore him Abd al-Dar, Abd Manaf, Abd al-Uzza and Abd. His progeny increased, his wealth multiplied and he became greatly honored.” Ishaq:49 “Qusayy thought he had a better right to the Ka’aba and to rule over Mecca than the Khuza’a since the Quraysh were the most noble and pure descendants of Ishmael." Tabari VI:20 “He called upon his fellow tribesmen, the Quraysh, to expel the Khuza’a and seize Mecca for themselves. They accepted his proposal and swore an oath of allegiance to him.” “The Arabs, recognizing their religious duty, accompanied Qusayy. Marching to the Ka’aba they said, ‘We have better right to this than you.’ At that they opposed one another and began to fight. A fierce battle broke out, as a result of which…Qusayy wrested from them the privileges which had been in their hands, thus denying them.” Tabari VI:21 “Qusayy purchased the custodianship of the Ka’aba for a skin full of wine and a lute.” “I have heard, and Allah knows best, that the Khuza’a were seized by an outbreak of pustules which nearly wiped them out. They abandoned Mecca.” Ishaq:52 “Both sides called for peace and for the appointment of one of the Arabs to arbitrate between them on their differences.” “The verdict was that Qusayy [read “Arabs or Muslims”] had a better claim to the Ka’aba [read “Temple Mount”] and to rule Mecca [read “Jerusalem”] than the Khuza’a [read “the Jews”]. All the injuries inflicted and blood shed by Qusayy [read “suicide bombers” or “Arab armies”] upon the Khuza’a [read “the Jews”] were cancelled and disregarded [read “forgotten, excused, or justified”], while all injuries inflicted by the Khuza’a [“the Jews”] upon the Quraysh [read “Muslims or Arabs”] should be compensated for by blood money Mohammed was the son of Abdallah, bin Abdul Muttalib the custodian of the kab'a, Mohammed was the heir to the custodianship of the ka'baa, Mohammed's father and uncle were called abdallah or Abdullah, the strange thing about this is Mohammed's father and uncle were notably pagans, but yet their names mean "servant of allah" if they were pagans and had names called "servant of allah" which allah were they serving? Ishaq:52 “Thus Qusayy gained authority over the Ka’aba and the lordship over the people of Mecca. He behaved like a king over his tribe so they made him a king.” Ishaq:53 “Qusayy assumed control and kingship. He was obeyed. He held the keys to the shrine, being the doorkeeper of the Ka’aba. He held the right to water the pilgrims from the well of Zamzam and to feed them. He presided at the assemblies and held the right to hand out the war banners. In his hands lay all the dignities of Mecca, all of which he took for himself.” “He also divided the property in Mecca among his followers, settling every clan of the Quraysh in the dwelling places assigned to them. No issue regarding public affairs was decided nor was any banner of war entrusted without Qusayy’s permission.” “Qusayy’s authority among the Quraysh during his lifetime and after his death was like a religion which the people followed and which could not be infringed; they always acted in accordance with its laws. They regarded it as filled with good omens and recognized his superiority and nobility…. He took for himself the assembly house which led from it to the mosque (place of prostration) of the Ka’aba.” “When they were about to fight another tribe, banners were tied only in his house, where one of his own sons would hand them out.” Ishaq:53 “Umar confirmed the story of Qusayy and how he gained control of the Ka’aba and the affairs of Mecca.” "I heard a man telling Umar bin al-Khatab, when he was Caliph, this story of Qusayy and how he gathered his own tribe together, expelled tribes from Mecca, and gained control of the Ka’aba. Umar did not reject it or disavow it.” Ishaq:49 “The pilgrims gathered in Mecca, went out to the mawqif, completed the hajj and went to Mina…. Nothing now remained of the ritual of the pilgrimage but the ceremony of dispersal from Mina.” “On the day of the dispersal they went to stone the jimar, and a man of the Sufah used to throw pebbles for the pilgrims, none throwing until he had thrown.” Tabari VI:31 “Qusayy instituted the lighting of the fire at al-Muzdalifah when the wuquf took place so that those being driven away from Arafat could see it. This fire continued to be lit in this place throughout the Jahiliyyah. This fire was also lit in the time of the Messenger, and of Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman.” Tabari VI:25 “Qusayy’s tribe held him in honor and high esteem. No one opposed his rule in any way.” “His commands were never disobeyed and nothing he did was opposed.” “As regards the hajj, he confirmed the right of the Arabs to continue their previous customs. This is because he considered these to be a religious duty which he should not change.” “Qusayy had a house built in Mecca which was the house of assembly in which the Quraysh used to decide their affairs.” Ishaq:55 “The rifada was a tax which the Quraysh paid from their property to Qusayy at every festival.” Ishaq:55 “Abd al-Dar, by Allah, I shall make you the equal of the others, even though they have been raised in dignity over you. No man of them shall enter the Ka’aba until you have opened it, no [war] banner shall be tied for the Quraysh to go to battle except by your hand, no man shall drink water in Mecca [from the well of Zamzam] except that which you have provided, no man shall eat food in the pilgrimage season other than your food, and the Quraysh shall not decide their affairs anywhere but in your house.” Tabari VI:25 “Then he gave Abd al-Dar the house in which the Quraysh always made their decisions, and gave him the office of being Ka’aba’s custodian, declaring war, presiding over the assembly, and collecting the rifadah, a tax levied in every pilgrimage season by the Quraysh according to their wealth and handed over to Qusayy. It was imposed on the Quraysh by Qusayy, who said to them when he commanded them to pay it, ‘Quraysh, you are neighbors of Allah, people of his Ka’aba and people of the sacred precincts of the Haram. The pilgrims are guests of Allah and visitors to His House. They did so, and every year they levied a tax on their property and paid it to Qusayy and he would use it for the pilgrims during the days of Mina. This institution of his became the state of affairs among the Quraysh during the whole of the Jahiliyyah [pre-Islamic period of Ignorance] up to the time Allah brought Islam, and then became a part of Islam, continuing to this day.” Ishaq:57 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Whatever deal there was in the days of ignorance Islam strengthens it.’” Tabari VI:25 “Qusayy’s tribe held him in honor and high esteem. No one opposed his rule in any way.” “His commands were never disobeyed and nothing he did was ever opposed.” Ishaq:56 “Qusayy was never contradicted nor was any measure of his overthrown.” Tabari VI:24 “His authority among the Quraysh during his lifetime and after his death was like a religion which the people followed; they always acted in accordance with it.” Bukhari:V1B2N50 “‘Apostle, order us to do some religious deeds that we may enter Paradise.’ The Prophet asked them, ‘Do you know what it means to believe in Allah Alone?’ They replied, ‘Allah and His Apostle know better.’ The Prophet said, ‘It means: 1. To testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle. 2. To perform prayers perfectly. 3. To pay the Zakat obligatory tax. 4. To observe the Ramadhan fast. 5. And to pay one fifth of the booty taken in Allah’s Cause.’” Do you see that Mohammed simply incorporated the values set by his pagan ancestor Qusayy into islam? I do not see a valid point here, 400 years before Mohammed the symbol of Hubal was already being put atop of roofs. Islam was obtained from paganism, it is seethed in paganism, you are a pagan, it is an insult to us, the apostles, christianity and to God for you to claim you serve the same God. |
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