Christian/Muslim ThreadsThe moon god - al-ilah
Pay particular attention to the rest of my comment (underlined), I find it fascinating you accepted Jesus as the Messiah once you came to islam, personally I think those statements are oxymorons. All counterfeits will have an ounce of truth, or else the con will never work, feigning respect for Jesus all the while talking about a Mahdi that will come and break the cross is an insult to what Jesus came to do, tell me what is the purpose of Jesus's coming if at the end of it another fellow was going to come, wouldn't it have been better if Jesus didn't bother to come at all, and what on earth was Jesus's message in this phantom injil that has been lost when allah says none of his revelations does he cause to be forgotten? My apologies for not pasting the letters of the submeanings!, my highlighting simply didn't catch it. Your comment about me striving against islam is a non issue, for me islam contradicts all the God of the old and new testament represents, a God who forgets and abrogates things within a 23 yr span can't be the same God, a God who sanctions rape for captured captives can't be the same God, a god who sends epileptic fits while his protege of a prophet is having sex with his underage wife can't be the same God, a god who sanctions hatred for an ethnic group, the same ethnic group in previous revelations He says He would never forsake, can't be the same God, a god who has no prophecies or miracles whatsoever except poetry (jinn inspired) cannot be the same God, you make it sound like all my questions have been answered to my satisfaction, the truth is this conversation is not about about striving against islam, there is no need for that, the faults in islam are exposed for all to see translation or otherwise, islam is 90% poetic confetti with good works as soundbites you don't need religion for that, especially when the God in the previous revelations calls our good works "filthy rags", I find it fascinating anyone is prepared to do their utmost to defend this so called religion, do you honestly believe as you wash your elbows ankles and beard you are washing your sins away? those are symptoms of a very superstitious mind coupled with obsessive compulsive disorders, this is not from God, I was hoping to show you islam is derived from paganism and so is it's god. It seems my point was lost on you, Mohammed made a mistake, he confused Mary the mother of Jesus with Miriam Aaron's sister, regardless of wether the language was amended to make Maryam mean both Miriam and Mary ( which I find a bit strange since this language is so ambiguous you can get anything you want why should two different names mean the same). The Biblical record says that Amran was Moses', Aaron's, and Miriam's father (Numbers 26:59). The Quran also gives this name to Mary's father. In Sura 66:12, Mary is identified as the daughter of Imran, but the new testament puts Eli as the father of Mary. So here is a double connection. "Mary" is Aaron's sister, and the daughter of Imran. Maybe the standard islamic response kicks in at this stage bible is corrupt and Mary's real father was Imran, who had the same name as Moses's and Aaron's father, to a rational mind Mohammed heard the name of Mary and Moses's sister and thought they were one and the same, what do you think? Have a look at the sequence of names in this verse Surah 4:163: "We have revealed our will to you as we have revealed it to Noah and to the prophets who came after him; as we revealed it to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, Solomon, and to David to whom we gave the Psalms." If you have ever been to sunday school or read the old testament you would know who ever wrote that is confused. Personally I believe that hadith is one of many forgeries.
I think it is time I call your bluff on this, if it is in there would you care to show us where it is, other christians have already done an extensive search in the quran, hadiths, jewish and christian scriptures and apocrypha no such idiom of naming someone as a sibling of an ancestor has been found except they were real contemporarty siblings the idiom has always been daughter of the ancestor or son of the ancestor, if it is in there don't beat around the bush show us.
I believe in little steps. You are quick to tell us the koran is in suras (steps) but refuse to accept the steps in christianity, so you would accept if the koran just jumped to the crux of it's message and said "oh servant of allah there is a jew behind me come and kill him"
I believe God is just and will look at the heart, obviously the arabic christians are not focusing their prayers to the east or that abomination of a shrine. You might as well say everybody who doesn't wash their elbows and ankles and bow down to the east 5 times a day and force their wives to wear a face blanket is going to hell. Oh I see you believe in abrogation but somehow abrogation doesn't apply when it comes to the prophet's sexual depravity didn't allah reveal it in steps too?, so all those hadiths narrated Aisha: "The prophet..consumated the marriage when I was 9 years old" is a forgery? if it is a forgery what else is a forgery? This is the same man that decapitated a jewish woman's husband killed her father, uncle several relatives and raped her the same day, this is the same man that took another jewish woman for his wife while his mujaheddins took her sisters to be raped, it is unbelievable the levels muslims will go to defend the indefensible.
Why can't it be both, Mohammed in his desperation to get a son and prove the superstitious pagans wrong that he was a real man would have seen various stages of miscarriages topple that with a galenic doctor down the road you have your thing that sojourns..congealed blood and flesh and bones. Save your money for the close to 1 billion muslims who don't understand what they are chanting 5 times a day. If the last message for all mankind for all eternity can only be understood in an ambiguous original language open to interpretation then allah has failed.
If you read the original post you would realise I was being sarcastic by calling him "our friend" there is a theme which I find through those type of hadiths logical fallacies that make it suspect the narrated scenarios took place or indeed if the person/s existed. I have already met those arguments before, I am curious are you a believer of www.submission.org? Why don't you look at it like this a) Narrated Aisha "..I was 9 years old..." is true b) The hadith is a lie she was not 9 yrs old but much older as the dates from the battle of badr and Uhud seem to indicate. (at the ripe mature age of 14) c) Those contradicting dates are also fabrications. Personally I don't think you have much ground to stand on, first you are dismissing the hadiths that say she was 9 years old, some of it narrated by Aisha herself, second if she was 14 years old at the battle of Uhud she must have been with the prophet beforehand we can speculate how far back she was with him, third wasn't Aisha suppose to have been married at a young age so she can tell us thousands of ahadith? that puts all those hadiths in jeopardy as forgeries do you want to go along that path? Fourth before you convince us convince your imams, they are the ones sanctioning marriage of preteen girls. Tabari IX:128 When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation. |
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