Christian/Muslim ThreadsThe moon god - al-ilahAll those who claim the name Allah is a contraction of al-ilah make no reference to Arabic authorities such as Arabic Scholars or Arabic Lexicons
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Let me ask you a few simple questions, just in case anybody reading your post falls for this old regurgitated trick of sleight of hand.
Did the koran alter the arabic language?
Did it affect the rules of the arabic language?
Did it add words to the arabic language?
There is a copy of the koran in heaven in perfect arabic so who has to back down when it comes to a grammatical error the koran? alledgedly from the lips of allah via jibreel or the rules of the arabic language?
Once you have found out the answers to these questions you will have a clearer understanding of your classical arabic.
...what about their own God given logic when applied to their scruptures? what exactly does the holy books have to say, what does the quran and sunnah have to say this should take precedence over any apologetic material
In islam based on the Quran and Sunnah when Adam and his wife finally came down to the Earth from the paradise (Quran 2:30-39)
And why did they come down to earth?
Did Mohammed have an answer? or is this one of his many plagiarised stories he didn't comprehend?
they received words from their Lord of how to repent in which they learnt and weeped unto their Lord with these words upon the earth (Quran 7:23).
They received words and how to weep for repentance for what crime exactly?
This place on earth was named after the commemoration of the even of Adam and his wife called "Bakka" meaning "a place of weeping or wailing" where the first house of worship for mankind (Quran 3:96) was built by Adam
Let us see what your sunnah has to say about the black stone:
Tabari I:189 “The Messenger took me by the hand and said, ‘Allah created soil on Saturday. Upon it, He created the mountains on Sunday. He created the trees on Wednesday, scattered animals on Thursday, and made Adam as the last of His creatures after the afternoon prayer on Friday
What afternoon prayer? which direction? Who was involved in this prayer when Adam hadn't been created yet? soil before mountains?.... what on earth is this?
Tabari I:294 “Adam built the House with materials from five mountains: Mount Sinai, the Mount of Olives, Mount Lebanon, and al-Judi. He constructed its foundations with materials from Mount Hira near Mecca. When he was finished with its construction the angel went out with him to Arafat. He showed him all the rites connected with the pilgrimage that people perform today. Then he went with him to Mecca and Adam circumambulated the House for a week. Returning to the land of India, he died upon Mount Nudh.”
Tabari I:298 “The Black Stone which was originally whiter than snow was brought down with Adam as well as the staff of Moses. It was made from the myrtle of Paradise, which, like Moses, was ten cubits (five meters) tall, and also myrrh and incense. Then anvils, mallets, and tongs were revealed to him. When Adam was cast down upon the mountain, he looked at an iron rod growing on the mountain. The first thing of iron he hammered was a long knife [also known as a sword]. Then he hammered the oven, the one which Noah inherited and that boiled with the punishment in India. When Adam fell down, his head brushed against heaven. As a result, he became bald and passed on baldness to his children.”
“The stone turned black because it was fingered by menstruating women.”
Tabari I:302 “Eventually, when Allah drowned the people of Noah, He lifted it up, but its foundation remained. Allah established it as a residence for Abraham who (re)built its later form.”
Tabari I:303 “When we were sitting in the mosque, Mujhid said, ‘Do you see this?’ I replied, you mean the Stone?’ He said, ‘You call it a stone?’ I said, ‘Is it not a stone?’ He said, ‘I was told by Abdallah bin Abbas that it was a white jewel that Adam took out of Paradise to wipe his tears—tears that did not stop for 2,000 years. I said, ‘Why and how did it turn black?’ He replied, ‘Menstruating women were touching it in the Jahiliyyah [the Time of Ignorance—i.e. pre-Islam]’”
Tabari I:189 “The Jews asked the Prophet, ‘What about Sunday?’ The Messenger answered, ‘On it, Allah created the earth and spread it out.’ They asked about Monday, and he replied: ‘On it He created Adam.’” . “Then they asked about Saturday and mentioned God’s resting on it. Then the Prophet got very angry so Allah then revealed to him: ‘We have created the heavens and the earth and what is between them in six days and fatigue did not touch Us.’” This became Qur’an 50:38.
Islam was obtained from paganism, it is seethed in paganism, you are a pagan, it is an insult to us, the apostles, christianity and to God for you to claim you serve the same God.
No love in those words at all.
I am sorry but I cannot love your idolatry sugarcoated with monotheism, sometimes the truth hurts and must be said for your own good.
But they are noted and respected as your opinion and I am happy to be assualted for the sake of the truth for the son of Maryam the servant of God. Yes you are right about one thing WE do not worship the same God. If you beleive Jesus is God, or for the Arabic speaking Christians Jesus is Allah, no we DO not worship the same God, and any muslims that says such a thing obviously does not know his own book
I am sorry I find it very hard to come to terms that you are happy at the thought of obtaining houris/whores? with regenerative hymens in the eternal brothel you call paradise, just because you call it paradise does not make it paradise, just because you call your god God does not make him God, this has been the sole emphasis of my point.
What name did Jesus use to refer to the almighty creator in his mother tongue ? The Aramaic name was Aalah the Aramaic form of the Arabic name Allaah. Reference goto www.peshitta.org Click on TOOLS/LEXICON then enter into search drive the word GOD click on search and there you have it from the Aramaic lexicon new testament bible concordance.
Ok if you would like to go down that route what does alah mean in aramaic and hebrew? isn't alah more close to allah than elah?
Pls refer to my first post.
Now as for those Christians who do not beleive the son of Maryam is God or Allah or YHWH or Aalaha (aramaic) then yes we all Jews, Chrisitians and muslims worship the same God. As me being a former Jew, Jews also say the same about Christians who worship Jesus as pagans, and that they do not worhip the same God as those Christians that worship Jesus in which the Jews deny him all together as an imposter and false prophet. please read the Jewish Thalmud.
I find it incredulous you can utter such a statement, if you are indeed a former jew I must assume you are an islamic neophyte having lived in an islamic ruled country myself for 11 years I hope you are aware of this hadith:
""The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Moslems make war against the Jews and kill them, and until a Jew hiding behind a rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: 'Oh Moslem, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'" (Sahih Bukhari 004.52.176) "
Are you one of those that chose to ignore parts of islam to soothe your conscience?
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