Why don't you want to do it?, if you believe you have the monopoly on truth you should have no qualms exposing what you believe to be lies.
Because I am not like you. Our religion teaches us to have respect for other religions.
This is what you said earlier
Present this to an Embryolgist and have him send me his report that this is inaccurate with his PHD signiture and Medical facility and I will renounce Islam. However though, I would go back to Judaism, not Christianity, and reject Jesus as an imposter and a lier as being a former Jew beleived just like the charged you brong against Muhammad.
You followed it with this:
We come now to our beloved Messiah Jesus Son of Maryam , He was assisted with wonders by G-D of healing the blind, raising the dead, curing the sick, speaking from the time of infancy to protect his mother from being stoned for alleged fornication [ Where is this in the koran, all I recall is speaking to date trees and making water come out whilst in the womb] , and brought to life something that was made out of mud. These miracles challenged the predominant science of their time which was doctors and physicians etc in which the miracles of Jesus contested with, and prevailed over.
Several questions pop up on reading this statement alone, anybody reading this will be wondering why you are so quick to condemn Jesus
(as an imposter and liar) and go back to Judaism if someone can prove to you that embryology as described in the koran is inaccurate (and it is), and in the next breath you call Jesus
["Our beloved Messiah" ] but does islam even afford for you to comprehend the enormity of what you have just said?. What is the term of Messiah in islam, what does it mean to you? Is it just one of the koran's many soundbites? everybody is a messiah just like everybody and his dog is a prophet. If you admit as a former jew turned muslim that Jesus is the Messiah that puts you in a catch 22 situation, if Jesus is the Messiah islam is false. I have to ask you Messiah of what? islam? What is the function of the Messiah? This is what your lexicon source says about Messiah:
Even you called Jesus " Messiah" <---Proper noun
On a side note remember our discussion about the koran amending the arabic language, this is a classic example, Mohammed was confused about the name of the mother of Jesus, he confused her with Miriam, Moses and Aaron's sister:
One of the best known errors in the quran (I wonder if you will be addressing this error in your thread about contradictions in the koran) is that concerning the confusion between Mary, recorded in the Qur'an as the sister of Aaron and the daughter of Imran (Biblical Amran) as well as the mother of Jesus (by implication in suras 19:28; 66:12; 20:25-30), though the two, Mary and Miriam, lived 1,570 years apart.
"Carrying the child, (Jesus), she (Mary) came to her people, who said to her: "Mary, this is indeed a strange thing! Sister of Aaron, your father was never a whore-monger, nor was your mother a harlot."" sura 19:27-28
This mistake was discerned by the Arabic Christians of Najran. There is a record of them exposing Muhammad's mistake about Mary
In Sahih Muslim, the Hadith related by Mughirah ibn Shu'bah,book 24 #5326, says:
"When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read "Sister of Harun", (i.e. Mary), in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born well before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger I asked him about that, and he said: "The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostle and pious persons who had gone before them."" [Sahih Muslim, translated by Abdul Siddiqi].
In effect, when Muhammad was confronted with the mistake of confusing Mary as the sister of Aaron he said that Mary was called the "
sister of Aaron" because Aaron was a pious person and Mary was called after Aaron. Muhammad meant that the use of the idiom "
sister of Aaron" was not literal, but metaphorical. Nowhere in the Torah new testament, Talmud, Jewish or christian apocryphal wiritngs is anyone mentioned as a brother or sister of an ancestor
It is always son of so and so, or daughter of so and so, this is a blatant lie by Mohammed to deceive, when confronted.
So to minimise the defamation of character, a public relations exercise had Maryam to mean both Mary and Miriam, and also Mariyam, and Miriam in arabic even though your lexicon source has two different transliteration in hebrew for Mary and Miriam, since arabic is related to hebrew the transliterated names should be close enough in the arabic:
Miriam
http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=04813 transliterated word Miryam
Mary
http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/search.cgi?word=Mary Transliterated word Maryah (Which coincidentally was the same pre islam in arabic, as it was the name of one of Mohammed's christian concubines he used as a sex slave)
(16:82)But if they turn away, thy duty is only to preach the Clear Message.
(16:125) Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.
I don't see the problem here this is not the same as baal/ha'baal the idol, and if you recall we agreed baal meant lord, the language existed before it was applied to the pagan idol:
The point is, what is actually meant in that verse. Does Baal in the hebrew mean "lord" in association with Baal the idol or does Baal mean husband ? I told you that I agree that that word Baal also meant "to be married".
You will have to run through what you mean again, the verse says (paraphrasing) I was " like a husband to you", you say above you agree baal also meant to be married, where is the conflict?
Am I to believe your beliefs do not stress Abraham and his sons circumnavigated that abomination you call a shrine?
This isnt about what you believe. It is about the concept of Allah in Islamic Teaching and Islamic History. You would be better off going in the direction of Omega he/she stuck to the name of G-D in the Bible. The reality is that Allah was not an idol which would still not matter to you, cause you only identify him by the names you are taught in your Bible and cause we not worship Jesus, so yes indeed we worship two different entities. The Jews dont worship Jesus, so do they worship another entity?. If you was to tell a Jew that you and him worship the same G-D and you say Jesus is G-D he would throw up.
I would tell a jew that Jesus is the Messiah first, and that He didn't come to destroy the roman armies as was expected but came to deal with the SIN of the world.
I see; so you agree that allah is derived from the sky god el? This is like using the arguments of an atheist as a muslim to disprove christianity
This is irrelevant. The Quran nore any Islamic literature can be found using the word "el" to refer to a deity. Also "el" in the Arabic language is the definite article "the" which is an egyptian dialect of "al"
I think it is very relevant, el is the sky god, baal is his son the god of nature, hubal is a god of nature his symbol is the moon his sister is ashtoreth the god of harvests rains and thunderstorms, who both accepted the sacrifice of little children, it is all very relevant.
Aristotle was already dissecting the stomachs of pregnant animals to have a look at the foetus, the practice of looking at foetuses was done thousands of years before Mohammed, even Cleopatra did it, this is not a miracle, I am amazed you think it so.
O really I also read Platos work also. Why dont you quote Aristotle's work that you claim the Quran was influenced by. Aristotle couldnt see Microscopic images. In the time of Aristotle and Plato the telescope and Microscope was not invented until after the 16-17 century. Go look it up.
To perform a surgery looking for something that is microscopic 3 mm would be impossible to identify in all that blood gunk and tissue. Yucky !
http://anatomy.med.unsw.edu.au/cbl/embr ... Stages.htm
Again the reason why I chose hadiths is they make logic sense of koranic verses, this does not contradict the koran at all, are you being truthful that this verse on it's own makes logical sense to you? the hadiths expose islam for the fraud it is.
Sahih Muslim Number 6390: `Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported that Allah's Messenger ... said: "Verily your creation is on this wise. The constituents of one of you are collected for forty days in his mother's womb in the form of blood [sperm?], after which it becomes a clot of blood in another period of forty days. Then it becomes a lump of flesh and forty days later Allah sends his angel to it ..."
This does not contradict the koran that is why it is a sahih, since you are of the opinion I am quoting hadiths that contradict the koran I would like you to show me where they do. Sperm does not survive in the mother's womb for 40 days, according to Mohammed 120 days later the sperm is now a lump of flesh the word is alaqa (you interpret it as a thing that clings) and means something that can be chewed like a piece of meat. 120 days later the foetus does not look like anything that can be chewed, from your website source by the 60th day the foetus has a rounded head body and limbs hardly a piece of meat that can be chewed like plasticine.
Now that is indeed a contradiction to the Quran. But as for me I do not read hadith in english nor the Quran nor the Bible. This is what the hadith says in Arabic of the phrase"
..inna (verily) ahadu (everyone) kum (you all) yujma'u (accumulates) khalqa(creation) hu (it) fee (in) baTni (inside) ummi (mothers) hu (it) arba'ien (fourty days) yawman (days) thumma (and then/later) yakoona (become) fee (in) dzaalika (that) alaqatan (a something that clings) mathlu (likewise) dzaalika (that) thumma (and then/later) yakoona (become) fee (in) mudhghatan ( a thing that is chewed)..
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Disp ... =&Tag=&SP=
..Verily the creation of everyone of you accumulates inside its mother for fourty days and then (later) it becomes in that a thing that clings, Likwise that (thing) then (later) becomes into a chewing...
I will maek this clear again to you. I said before Quran supersedes hadith if the hadith contradicts the Quran this means EVEN if ti was SAHIH.
This is your own explanation of that hadith to get out of a difficult situation, if you are being honest with yourself you would not be so quick to dismiss that hadith, the koran doesn't give any days that hadith does, it does not contradict the koran.
Human ovarian follicle development takes about 70 days to Ovulation when the Ovum has reach full maturity. The first 40 days of this are Primordial follicles stages before reaching the begining stages of an Ovum, or in Quranic Terms a "Qararin Makeen". 30 days of this are Ovum regulated growth phases in which Ovulation starts
I have to wonder if you obtained all this detailed information from the three or four lines in the koran.
Errors Mr. Galen Makes
..The first is that in which. as is seen both in abortions and in dissection, the form of the semen prevails (Arabic nutfah)...
Mr Galen obviously didnt study Quran to well. The Quran makes a distinction between the "Nutfah" ~ Sperm and Semen ~ "Maniy" are distinguished in the Quran.
Galen was a greek doctor born 400 years before Mohammed, his medical knowledge was used in the formation of a Jandi-shapur medical school in Persia a school a certain Harith Ben Kalada attended, a contemporary of Mohammed who Mohammed sent sick people to meet, it is very logical Mohammed would have asked the doctor about child birth. The interpolations of the arabic meanings into his text was to show the similarity.
Basim Musallam, Director of the Centre of Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Cambridge concludes
"The stages of development which the Qur'an and Hadith established for believers agreed perfectly with Galen's scientific account ... There is no doubt that medieval thought appreciated this agreement between the Qur'an and Galen , for Arabic science employed the same Qur'anic terms to describe the Galenic stages
I could ask a few embryologists giving them that sequence and telling them it came from the 7th century on embryological development I don't know if they would laugh or cry, if I then told them it is alledgedly from the Almighty, when such a scenario can easily be deduced just from stages of miscarriages alone.
Make sure you give them a good translation cause your still stuck up on using horrible translations. Of course you woudl do this it meets you needs for you to take advantage of it.
You have so far dismissed the english translations of the quran I have showed you, and instead have interpreted it in your own words, is there any translation that suits you as opposed to your own?