Loki wrote:to think that Aisha reached puberty at nine is very naieve wishfull thinking... your playing the advocate of the devil
So how old do you think she was below ?
Al-Bukhari Volumn 001, Book 008, Hadith Number 465.
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Narated By 'Aisha : (The wife of the Prophet) I had seen my parents following Islam since I attained the age of puberty. Not a day passed but the Prophet visited us, both in the mornings and evenings. My father Abu Bakr thought of building a mosque in the courtyard of his house and he did so. He used to pray and recite the Qur'an in it. The pagan women and their children used to stand by him and look at him with surprise. Abu Bakr was a Softhearted person and could not help weeping while reciting the Quran. The chiefs of the Quraish pagans became afraid of that (i.e. that their children and women might be affected by the recitation of Quran)."
The time period of the above hadeeth being mentioned was before the hijrah when they were still living in Makkah.
All I am seeing you do is if a hadeeth is against our prophet that you can use you believe it but if the hadeeth is not against our prophet that you cannot use you reject it. This is called prejudice.
Aburaees wrote:H2O wrote:* Aisha was engaged to Jubair son of Mut`am ibn `Adi, an elder, before our Prophet was engaged to her, which was in the makkah period way before the Hijrah. Thus it was a normal things among Arabs for elder men to mary woman at Aisha age at that time. Her Father Abu Bakr was in support of the engagement prior to the prophets engagement to her.
Agreed, though her father did
question the marriage at first, until his friend Muhammad insisted that Aisha was lawful for him.
He questioned the marriage as to its legality of fraternity ties, not about Aisha's age as she was formerly engaged to another man who was an elder.
Bukhari Volumn 007, Book 062, Hadith Number 018.
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Narated By 'Ursa : The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she ('Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."
His questioning had nothing to do with Aisha's age. I think you may have gotten this confused.
Aburaees wrote:H2O wrote:When did the Prophet get marriage to Aisha ? 2 years after the hijrah in 622-623
What here is meant by marriage? Just a Nikkah, or the whole package including consummation?.....
...Yes, she was married at 9 as a marriage isn't complete until it is consummated. She had only been betrothed to him at the age of 6.
Reports say "
Nikah" when she was six 2 years after Hijarah. Engagements ie betrothment take place before Nikah. She was not 6 at this time she was 9-10. You are ignoring the time line which runs inconsistent with the age reports. Some hadeeth report she was betrothed at 6 others say her Nikah was at 6 which is a contraction.
Yur understand of Nikah is totally wrong. Once Nikah is performed even if the marriage is not consumated, she and he are legally husband and wife, not a betrothed couple.
Surah Al-Baqarah
[2] There is no blame on you if ye make an offer of betrothal or hold it in your hearts. Allah knows that ye cherish them in your hearts: but do not make a secret contract with them except that you speak to them in terms honourable, nor resolve on the tie of marriage till the term prescribed is fulfilled. And know that Allah knoweth what is in your hearts, and take heed of Him; and know that Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing.
[236] There is no blame on you if ye divorce women before consummation or the fixation of their dower; but bestow on them (a suitable gift), the wealthy according to his means, and the poor according to his means; a gift of a reasonable amount is due from those who wish to do the right thing.
[237] And if ye divorce them before consummation, but after the fixation of a dower for them, then the half of the dower (is due to them), unless they remit it or (the man's half) is remitted by him in whose hands is the marriage tie; and the remission (of the man's half) is the nearest to righteousness and do not forget liberality between yourselves. For Allah sees well all that ye do.
You cannot have a divorce unless you are legally married. There is no such thing as devorcing in betrothment. You can only devorce if you are married regardless if cosummation occured or not.