Christian/Muslim ThreadsMuhammad on trial: Part 1.Salaam 1st: where did you get that rule from? A program about couples was on tv a few years back, and a wife I saw on this documentary said she didn’t like sex, and on the first night with her husband she didn’t like it so much so that she hasn’t even lost her virginity yet. He husband loves her so much that he agreed to her wishes. Because he loves her for who she is, and sex would have been just a bonus. They’ve been married for years and they still love each other. it depends on the couple, and we should never generalise. Yes this is a weird case, but again everyone is different! 2nd: lets say a couple like the above doesn’t exist and that you’re right, but who says there’s a time limit? Who says the prophet slept with aisha straight away? In the middle east many girls don’t know their husbands well when they get married. Many times it’s months after the wedding night before they consummate the marriage, simply because both are shy and want to get to know each other better. You seem to be knowledgeable about Islam and the prophet, and I’m sure you know from probably reading about his life that he was an exceptional human being with the best character that even the people who hated him trusted him with everything. What im trying to say is, you yourself know what a great person he was and that he wouldn’t do anything that was wrong. Besides, don’t you think abu bakr would have known what he was like? His best friend? Don’t you think he trusted him enough with his daughter? To me that’s evidence enough that he would never harm her or abuse aisha in anyway, and that if abu bakr was cool with it, who are we to not be. lets say the prophet did abuse aisha or whatever (astaghfurullah) don’t you think she, once she matured a bit, would have realised if she was taken advantage of and divorced the prophet or made her anger obvious? She was a smart woman, and wise, and taught people about religion and living a good way of life. she wasn’t stupid. Again the fact that she never complained is also proof enough, on the contrary, she loved him so much and even got jealous when his wife khadija was mentioned and he would praise her in any way. Also, people on this board seem to visualise and old grey man with a young girl and it just doesn’t seem right. But as history shows, the prophet was always fit and looked young until he died. People used to describe abu bakr and he as “the old man with the shaab”, (shaab:young person) even though abu bakr was actually a year younger than the prophet, but the prophet looked extremely young for his age. I’ve even read a hadeeth that show that his stomach never went over his chest. Ie, he was slim and not fat and lazy. It’s also known that he only had a few white hairs, even at the age of 60. ALSO, it is known that even his sweat smelled like musk, and that khadija used to collect his sweat and use it as perfume, and that his friends would know in which direction he went if they just missed him by sniffing him out! I don’t have sources for this right now, so if anyone asks for them, I hope one of you (H2O?) can add them, because I learned this quite a while ago at school and don’t have my books anymore. MY POINT IS, he wasn’t an ordinary man. And as long as this was accepted back then, who are we to say it was wrong? we’re talking over a thousand years ago! Not 10 yrs ago! Things were different! Who are we to judge the situation?? Do we know what aisha was like? Do we know what her body and mind were like at a young age? I have a cousin who got her menses at 9 and at that age her breasts we already a C or D cup. And from observation and experience, people who look older than their age tend to get treated older than their age, and in turn mature faster than others. Who are we to say that aisha at the age of 9 or 10 or 12 was like other 9, 10, or 12 yr olds? My grandmother is a similar case. She is 73 now. She was engaged to my gradfather at 11, got her menses at 12 or 13 and married my grandfather (who was in his early 30s at the time) and gave birth to my uncle at 13. I’ve asked her about her marriage, and how she felt getting married at such a young age. She said she was happy, and that’s just how it was back then (in east Africa), and that her parents knew my grandfather well and trusted him with their daughter! And obviously they chose well! And as long as she was happy, who am I to say “well, I think it’s wrong, how could your parents have done that?? Or how gross!” her parents obviously thought she was mature enough to get married. Who the HELL are we to question them? Parents who marry their daughters young OBVIOUSLY TRUST the man. KNOW HIM WELL. My grandfather knew she was a good girl from a respectable family, and her parents knew the same about him! (his first wife had died btw, which is why he got married for the 2nd time in his 30s) Also, not ONE PERSON objected to the prophets marriage to aisha. Was it because they were afraid of the prophet? Was he a scary stubborn man? OFCOARSE NOT, as we know there were a bunch of pretty outspoken characters among the prophets friends, and even in the Quraan god describes the prophet saying something to the meaning of ‘and if you were not mild In character/kind hearted, for sure they would have left you/disbelived you. Don’t know the aya by heart, but im sure H2O or someone else knows which one im talking about. (also, fellow muslims, wasnt there a hadeeth somewhere that said when aisha was pretty young she was already quite tall for her age? which would show that she had developed earlier, and perhaps prove my point that she was more mature, since i have seen that girls who look older are treated older and mature faster?? this is my theory about aisha anyway, i think it makes sense) Anyway, I hope this has helped in some way. Sorry for not posting references to my facts, that would take days or in my case weeks to find, which I don’t have. Im only stopping by for a bit, but hopefully other muslims here will help with that. Take care everyone, adios. wxx |
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