Liberate wrote:LOL, where are you getting this from if not from hadiths and since you are a hadith rejecter you are in a catch 22 situation,
Liberate, are you like deaf ? alifaia is Shia, they have their own verified hadeeths that is said to be verified by Quran. Saheeh Bukhari and Muslim etc are all considered Sunni influenced hadeeth according to them.
When you confront a muslim on the issue of hadeeth and it doesnt turn out to be your average hadeeth muslim whom throughs it back at you, you are quick to say they are hadeeth rejecters.
To be a hadeeth rejecter he must be a rejecter of ALL hadeeth all together like the Rashad Khaleefah followers. He did not indicate or say he rejects all hadeeths, he merely said just like I have told you in the past that the hadeeth needs to be varified by Quran before accepting it which cannot contradict Quran.
Liberate wrote:How do you decide which one is true and which one is false?
Duh ! I have asked you this question before. You choose whatever seems negative to your limited thinking as true and the others contrary as false, of course in your biases and prejudice standards.
How many times are you going to be told. To determine if the hadeeth is accurate or not it cannot conflict with Quran. This is what we are commanded in Quran to do with any source of information related to our religion or way of life.
Liberate wrote:What does shia sources have to do with your responses of I don't know?
Cause he is Shia and you are quoting Sunni sources. Would you like him to quote catholic sources against you ?
Liberate wrote:When it says "hide in wait for the idolaters and kill them" will you suddenly then say at this point we need to look at the koran in context, and rush over to your Bukhari/Muslim sunni mentors to find the context,
Who is that verse talking about ? The Makkan Pagans that muslims were at war with, or generally to all unbelievers ? Maybe if you had a Quran to open up its pages and READ you will find the context.
Surah 9
[1] A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances.
[2] Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.
[3] And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage - that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.
[3] And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage - that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.
[4] (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
[5] But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
[6] If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
[7] How can there be a league, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the Sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for Allah doth love the righteous.
8] How (can there be such a league), seeing that if they get an advantage over you, they respect not in you the ties either of kinship or of covenant? With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked.
[9] The Signs of Allah have they sold for a miserable price, and (many) have they hindered from His way: evil indeed are the deeds they have done.
[10] In a Believer they respect not the ties either of kinship or of covenant! It is they who have transgressed all bounds.
[11] But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity, they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.
[12] But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith, fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained.
[13] Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!
[14] Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,
[15] And still the indignation of their hearts. For Allah will turn (in mercy) to whom He will; and Allah is All-Knowing, All Wise.
[16] Or think ye that ye shall be abandoned, as though Allah did not know those among you who strive with might and main, and take none for friends and protectors except Allah, His Messenger, and the (community of) Believers? But Allah is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do.
[17] It is not for such as join gods with Allah, to visit or maintain the mosques of Allah while they witness against their own souls to infidelity. The works of such bear no fruit: in Fire shall they dwell.
[18] The mosque of Allah shall be visited and maintained by such as believe in Allah and the Last Day, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity, and fear none (at all) except Allah. It is they who are expected to be on true guidance...
You like going to Ibn Kathir for reference what happened you didnt like what he said ?
Liberate wrote:Your Pooya/Ali commentary gives no context it doesn't tell you why a koranic ayat was revealed or try and explain the absurd; like small insects talking to a man, you might as well give me a translation in english and chant "To hear is to obey" BTW you do know that Yusuf Ali was a sunni muslim? Whats the point in quoting a sunni and with the same breath dismiss sunni beliefs???
You mean to tell me if G-D told a rock to speak the rock wont speak ? Isnt G-D the Almight All Powerfull ? Better yet ants are living beings, they have a way to communicate to each other, and Allah understands their speach, so Allah gave Sulaiman the ability to understand the speach of animals not just ants but also birds.
Whats wrong with that ? You mean your G-d is so weak he cant give men the ability to understand the speach of animals ? Allah merely says be and it is done but you G-d had to come, get beat up by his own creatures and do some ritual to take away the sins of others.
Liberate wrote:Jesus and the apostles said if anybody preaches a gospel other than what we have told you do not accept it.
No you are wrong. Paul said that. The other disciple of Jesus and Paul were at each others necks. Also there are plenty of other Christian sect that existed that rejected Pauls teachings. Read Pauls letters again .