Maybe I should make something clear, I believe islam is not from God, I believe Mohammed was not led by a spirit from God, if I honestly believed something was from the devil, misguiding millions who are unaware of the real life of this so called prophet without a prophecy to his name, you want me to sugarcoat his behaviour?
At no point in any of my posts have I insulted anybody on this forum, my comments have been on islam and the man behind it. If you know something will lead millions into the pit of hell, it is your duty as a human being, and as a christian to expose the sham for what it is.
i just have one question.... how did you reach to a conclusion that Islam is non-divine? I understand that your beliefs as as such... but there must have been a point in time when you didnt think so.. so how did you reach such an idea?
I looked at the man in light of the koran, and the koranic verses in their proper context noted in the hadiths of Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawod, Malik, Ishaq, Tabari e.t.c. the picture they build is not a man after God's heart who makes up revelations to justify his blatantly selfish actions e.g:
[49] O ye who believe! Raise not your voices above the voice of the Prophet, nor speak aloud to him in talk, as ye may speak aloud to one another, lest your deeds become vain and ye perceive not.
What is this doing in a divine revelation from God, can't you see this is subservience to a man, whatpossible business does this have to do with a divinew revelation for all mankind to be recited in masjids for all eternity with a copy in heaven?
[33] O ye who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses,- until leave is given you,- for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation: but when ye are invited, enter; and when ye have taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk. Such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet: he is ashamed to dismiss you, but God is not ashamed (to tell you) the truth. And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should annoy God's Apostle, or that ye should marry his widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in God's sight an enormity.
Do you not see that this man simply wanted people to leave his house (btw the context of this verse is for people to leave him alone with his newly acquired wife Zaynab who was previously the wife of Zaid his adopted son). How do you reconcile and expect me to reconcile this obvious selfish utterings to come from a God that changeth not and is no respecter of persons according to christianity and Judaism?
You should be well aware that there was nobody else to vouch for Mohammed, it was him and him alone, he alone was hearing jibreel, he alone was receiving the commands of allah, there is no one to vouch or substantiate his claims, he is the judge jury and prosecutor in his own case, there is a fine line between who is allah/jibreel/or Mohammed.
you claimed that no one was there to vouch for Prophet Muhammed's prophethood... if i am not mistaken John the baptist was the only one who vouched for but not in exact clear words.... I think it was "make way for the great one" .... and this was taken up in blind faith... i.e. no one was there to vouch for John... except for a prophecy of Isiah... of the one who will cry out in the wilderness .... i mean lets be rational here... i can accept your claim that no one was there to vouch for Prophet Muhammed ... but what about Jesus??
Who vouched for Jesus?
One the 12 disciples not including John the baptist and the people gathered at the lake of Galilee that witnessed the declaration.
The 150 people who saw Him after His resurrection
The numerous people that He healed.
Nicodemus the priest.
Who on the underhand heard from God that Mohammed is from God? show me one person who could vouch for Mohammed?
Just John the Baptist??? who could very easily have just read the passage and decided to take it upon himself... but plz do not consider this a mockery of John of Jesus... they mean as much to us as to you
Would you like to tell us what John the baptist prophecied since he is a prophet in islam?
... i am just trying to show you the absurdity of your claim that no one was there to second a persons claim of prophethood.... How about Moses???
Let's see Aaron, Joshua, the entire children of Israel fleeing from the armies of Pharoah, and witnessing the splitting of the red sea, the entire children of Israel witnessing manna from heaven. Who on the underhand can vouch for Mohammed? who?
and another thing ... in the case of John the baptist's "make way" statement... what is the gaurantee that he is truily one from God???? none... once again ... i am not making a mockery of John... just trying to show you the absurdity of your prophethood requirements claim....
Jesus vouched for him. Who vouched for Mohammed?
According to islam the seal of prophethood was a 'cancerous' dome shaped lump on Mohammed's back.
This has got to be a result of blind hatered.... unless you have any proof ... this is just another lie... and to be honest with you... statements such as this reduces a persons credibility... believe me... in the future when you post anything but cant back it up... people will just call you a lame liar and ignore you... and that really doesnt help your cause ... if people ignore you ... how will you be able to show them the errors of their ways????
I wonder if you have ever read the sahih hadiths before you attack what I alledge:
Narrated As-Sa'ib:
My aunt took me to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! My nephew is ill." The Prophet touched my head with his hand and invoked Allah to bless me. He then performed ablution and I drank of the remaining water of his ablution and then stood behind his back and saw "Khatam An-Nubuwwa" (The Seal of Prophethood) between his shoulders like a button of a tent. (Sahih Bukhari 7.574. see also Sahih Bukhari 4.741)
Narrated As-Sa'ib bin Yazid:
My aunt took me to the Prophet and said, "O Allah's Apostle! This son of my sister has got a disease in his legs." So he passed his hands on my head and prayed for Allah's blessings for me; then he performed ablution and I drank from the remaining water. I stood behind him and saw the seal of Prophethood between his shoulders, and it was like the "Zir-al-Hijla" (means the button of a small tent, but some said 'egg of a partridge.' etc.) (Sahih Bukhari 1.189. see also Sahih Muslim 4.5793)
Never has the God we served worked through one man and one man alone, never had he respected a man to the extent that he sanctioned this incestuous filth :
I dont understand this comment... how is marrying more than one incestious filth??? plz explain....
sura 33:50
O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Do you realise marrying daughters of your maternal and paternal uncles and aunts is incest and forbidden according to judaism and christianity? why on earth do you think a God who changeth not would sanction someone who blatantly makes himself an exception to these rules so that
"there should be no difficulty for him" when He has never respected any individual in the two previous revelations?
(pls tell me you are not this gullible)
Q. 66: 5.
"It may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you, Muslims (who submit to Allâh), believers, obedient to Allâh, turning to Allâh in repentance, worshipping Allâh sincerely, fasting or emigrants (for Allâh's sake), previously married and virgins.
I sincerely hope you are aware of the context of this verse, it is embarassing for a muslim.
He has always backed what He had to say or what He is going to do by other followers, can you show me where allah spoke to anybody else but Mohammed?
God never spoke to anyone other than Prophet Muhammed... in his time... however... during the time of Jesus did God speak to anyone else?
How about John the baptist?
How about Zechariah?
How about Mary?
How about Mary Magdalene?
How about Joseph?
Where is the confirmation that Mohammed heard a single word from God other than his say so, nobody hears jibreel but him and him alone, nobody hears jibreel except Mohammed and jibreel choses to come when he is in bed with his underage wife what kind of confirmation is this?
Mohammed and islam is precisely the kind of 'prophet' being warned about in these verses, yet you arrogantly claim that Mohammed is a prophet after the previous revelations, you follow a man with no prophecies to his name, not one can be singled out in the koran
actually the Deu 18:18 verses are talking or rather prophesysing the comming of Prophet Muhammed... which is a confirmation of his Prophethood... which interestingly enough is not mentioned in your post...
Deuteronomy 18
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Did you also read verse 2 when it talks about the inheritance of the Levites among their brethren:
Deuteronomy 18
1 The priests the Levites, and all the tribe of Levi, shall have no part nor inheritance with Israel: they shall eat the offerings of the LORD made by fire, and his inheritance.
2 Therefore shall they have no inheritance among their brethren: the LORD is their inheritance, as he hath said unto them.
By your analogy this doesn't really refer to the Levites but to the Ishmaelites?
What are the fruits of Mohammed?
A rapist, thief, caravan mercernary, megalomaniac incestuous individual, adulterer, fornicator, with koranic sayings in the koran to be repeated through all eternity with a copy kept in heaven to justify his morbid lifestyle all the while claiming that these are "divine revelations"
once again with no proof to back up your claim... it will be regarded as just another lie... thereby reducing your credibility even more...
Rapist:
I hope you have heard of Al Tabari aka the book of tabaquat, it is the oldest part of the sunnah written well before the hadiths, from a respected muslim scholar I suggest you read a copy of it. Surprise surprise the book also has the story of Safiyah.
"Safiyah was born in Medinah. She belonged to the Jewish tribe of Banu 'I-Nadir. When this tribe was expelled from Medinah in the year 4 A.H, Huyaiy was one of those who settled in the fertile colony of Khaibar together with Kinana ibn al-Rabi' to whom Safiyah was married a little before the Muslims attacked Khaibar. She was then seventeen. She had formerly been the wife of Sallam ibn Mishkam, who divorced her. One mile from Khaibar. Here the Prophet married Safiyah. She was groomed and made-up for the Prophet by Umm Sulaim, the mother of Anas ibn Malik. They spent the night there. Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of the Prophet the whole night. When, in the early dawn, the Prophet saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: "I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, and till recently she was an unbeliever. I was really afraid for you on her account". The Prophet prayed for Abu Ayyub al-Ansari (Ibn Hisham, p. 766) Safiyah had requested the Prophet to wait till he had gone a stage away from Khaibar. "Why?" asked the Prophet. "I was afraid for you on account of the Jews who still happened to be near at Khaibar!"
The reason Safiyah rejected the sexual advances of the 57-year-old Muhammad should be obvious to any objective person. I believe most women prefer to mourn than jump into bed with the killer of their father, husband and many relatives on the same day of their death. But the fact that the prophet of Allah could not contain his sexual urges for one day to let this young girl grieve, says a lot of his thinking and moral character. However as for the rest of the story we are not sure whether it is true or was fabricated by Muslim historians to wipe the impression of rape. But this is all we have and to find the truth we have to rely on these biased documents written by Muslim historians. The story goes on to say that Abu Ayyub was concerned for the safety of the prophet because he (Muhammad) had killed Safiyah's father, husband and many of her relatives. This is logical. It is foolish to sleep with a woman after killing her loved ones. But Safiyah’s excuse for rejecting Muhammad’s advances towards her seems unreasonable. When Muhammad took this young girl into his tent, he had already killed many Jews and was winning the war. If there were any Jews left, they probably were more worried for their own lives than Safiyah’s chastity. Also she was already in the tent alone with Muhammad, how the Jews would have known if they were engaged in sex or not? I wonder what other excuse could she make to a man who was the murderer of her father, husband and many of her relatives to let her alone at least that night?"
The next day a Walima (wedding-feast) was arranged on behalf of the Prophet
Note that the historian is saying that the wedding took place one day after the prophet got private with Safiyah and made his moves to have sex with her. This presented no problem for the prophet as he had his Allah reveal a verse saying it is okay to sleep with women captured in war without marrying them even if they are married. Do you honestly think he was asking her " are your menses over?" " are your menses over?", so in one day after the battle of Khaiber the prophet suddenly knew her menses were over, or she happily told him "yes my menses are over" she was so eager to have sex with the man who a few hrs earlier had killed her family.
And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess (Q. 4:24 )
The above verse shows that the holy prophet did not believe that slaves have any right. You could be a happily married woman living your own life, but if Muhammad and his devout followers attacked your town and captured you, you would lose all your rights, and while your husband was being killed or enslaved you would be given to a Muslim Mujahadeen who would rape you all with Allah’s blessings.
The other wives of the Prophet showed their jealousy by making slights upon her Jewish origin. But the Prophet always defended her. Once Safiyah was vexed to the extreme by the taunts of all the Arab wives of the Prophet. She took the complaint to the Prophet, who felt great compassion for her. He consoled her. He encouraged her. He equipped her with logic. He said: "Safiyah, take courage and be bold. They are in no way superior to you. Tell them: I am a daughter of the Prophet Harun, a niece of the Prophet Musa, and a wife of the Prophet Muhammad.
When she was brought along with other prisoners-of-war, the Prophet said to her, "Safiyah, your father always maintained enmity with me until Allah made the final decision." She said, "But Allah does not catch one for the sins of another.
This of course contradicts Muhammad’s own behavior who annihilated the entire Bani Qainuqa with the pretext that few of them had killed a Muslim in retaliation. That is despite the verse that says "Namely, that no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another" (Q. 53:38) Also it was not Allah who made the final decision. Safiyah's father was killed by Muhammad's men not by Allah. This would be the same as Hitler claiming that God killed all the Jews in the holocaust. If God wanted to kill all those people that Muhammad and his army killed He could have done it on his own. God needs no mercenaries to do his will.
The Prophet then gave her the choice of joining her people after freedom or accepting Islam and coming into a matrimonial relationship with him
We have to remember that Muhammad killed most of her people and banished the rest of them. So giving the choice to join her people is not much of a choice.
She was very intelligent and gentle and said, O Allah's Messenger, I had hoped for Islam, and I confirmed you before your invitation. Now when I have the honour to be in your presence, I am given a choice between kufr and Islam I swear by Allah, that Allah and His Messenger is dearer to me than my own freedom and my joining with my people. (Tabaqat)
Was this confession, if true, sincere? Was she safe to speak out her mind? She was enslaved by a man who had exterminated her family and could do with her the same. See the reference made to her "freedom". This shows clearly that she was not free. In fact she must have been very intelligent to fabricate those lies to save her own life.
Also in thew hadiths of Abu Dawod:
When Safiyah was married, she was very young, and according to one report she was hardly seventeen years old and was extremely beautiful. Once A'isha said a few sentences about her short stature, at which the Prophet said, "You have said a thing that if it were left in the sea, it would mix with it (and make its water dirty). " (Abu Dawud). She not only deeply loved the Prophet but also greatly respected him as Allah's Messenger, for she heard the conversations of her father and uncle after they went to Medinah. When the Prophet migrated to Medinah, they came to see him and find out whether he was the true Messenger of Allah spoken of in the Scriptures. When they got back and talked together that night, Safiyah was in her bed listening to them. One of them said, "What do you think about him?" He replied, "He is the same Prophet foretold by our Scriptures." Then the other said, "What is to be done?" The reply came that they must oppose him with all their
Is this story, narrated by Abu Dawud, credible? How can two Jews recognize Muhammad as the prophet foretold by their scriptures and decide to oppose him with all their might? It defies all logic. It takes a "deficient in intelligence" to believe in this nonsense. It is not clear whether Safiyah lied to conform and make her self accepted among her enemies or it is another fabrication of a zealot believer. Why would someone decide to oppose with all his might the one who he has found out to be the promised one of his own scriptures? But this is not all! Where in the bible it says anything about Muhammad? How come Safiyah’s father and uncle could decipher their scriptures and find about Muhammad while for 1400 years all Muslim scholars have been unable to do it?
So Safiyah was convinced of the truth of the Prophet. She spared no pain to look after him, care for him and provide every comfort that she could think of. This is evident since she came into his presence after the fall of Khaibar.
See how the writer contradicts himself in one page? Just a few lines above we read that she was captured and was taken to Muhammad as a prisoner. She didn’t come on her own. She was taken to the prophet because she was young and the prettiest of other women captured.
Bukhari also had some hadiths about safiyah:
Narrated 'Abdul 'Aziz:
Anas said, 'When Allah's Apostle invaded Khaibar, we offered the Fajr prayer there yearly in the morning) when it was still dark. The Prophet rode and Abu Talha rode too and I was riding behind Abu Talha. The Prophet passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the Prophet . He uncovered his thigh and I saw the whiteness of the thigh of the Prophet. When he entered the town, he said, 'Allahu Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. Whenever we approach near a (hostile) nation (to fight) then evil will be the morning of those who have been warned.' He repeated this thrice. The people came out for their jobs and some of them said, 'Muhammad (has come).' (Some of our companions added, "With his army.") We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, 'O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.' The Prophet said, 'Go and take any slave girl.' He took Safiya bint Huyai. A man came to the Prophet and said, 'O Allah's Apostles! You gave Safiya bint Huyai to Dihya and she is the chief mistress of the tribes of Quraiza and An-Nadir and she befits none but you.' So the Prophet said, 'Bring him along with her.' So Dihya came with her and when the Prophet saw her, he said to Dihya, 'Take any slave girl other than her from the captives.' Anas added: The Prophet then manumitted her and married her."
Thabit asked Anas, "O Abu Hamza! What did the Prophet pay her (as Mahr)?" He said, "Her self was her Mahr for he manumitted her and then married her." Anas added, "While on the way, Um Sulaim dressed her for marriage (ceremony) and at night she sent her as a bride to the Prophet . (Sahih Bukhari vol 1 no 367)
Mahr or dowry is a money that a bride receives from her husband when he marries her. Muhammad did not pay Safiyah her Mahr because he had to pay it to himself for manumitting her. I don't have to comment on what this implies I am giving you a lot of credit to decipher the con for yourself if you are able to scrutinise christianity to the extent you seem to do no one needs to point you out the "forced consent" and stupidty of a coverup that has been done here.
There is an ayat in the koran that says when marrying widows you must wait 3 months before you marry them a period of iddah, ask yourself the 1 million dollar question as to why Mohammed did not fulfill his own period of iddah with Safiyah?
Caravan mercenary:
Ishaq:283 “Hamza’s expedition to the seashore comprised thirty riders, all Emigrants from Mecca. He met Abu Jahl who had 300 riders. Amr, intervened for he was at peace with both sides. Hazma said, so they allege: ‘Wonder at good sense and at folly, at a lack of sound counsel and at sensible advice. Their people and property are not yet violated as we haven’t attacked. We called them to Islam but they treat it as a joke. They laughed until I threatened them. At the Apostle’s command, I was the first to march beneath his flag, a victorious banner from Allah. Even as they sullied forth burning with rage, Allah frustrated their schemes.’”
Ishaq:284 “I am amazed at the causes of anger and folly and at those who stir up strife by lying controversy. They abandon our fathers’ ways. They come with lies to twist our minds. But their lies cannot confound the wise. If you give up your raids we will take you back for you are our cousins, our kin. But they chose to believe Muhammad and became obstinately contentious. All their deeds became evil.”
Ishaq:281 “The Raid on Waddan was the first Maghazi.” He said, “The Expedition of Ubayda Harith was second. The Apostle sent Ubayda out on a raid with sixty or eighty riders from the Emigrants, there not being a single Ansar among them. He encountered a large number of Quraysh in the Hijaz. Abu Bakr composed a poem about the raid.” Some of the most memorable lines include: “When we called them to the truth they turned their backs and howled like bitches. Allah’s punishment on them will not tarry. I swear by the Lord of Camels that I am no perjurer. A valiant band will descend upon the Quraysh which will leave women husbandless. It will leave men dead, with vultures wheeling round. It will not spare the infidels.”
Ishaq:282 “Does your eye weep unceasingly over the ruins of a dwelling that the shifting sands obscure? Is your army and declaration of war firm enough that we should abandon images venerated in Mecca, passed on to heirs by a noble ancestor [Qusayy]? Are your steeds panting at the fray, are your swords polished white, are they in the hands of warriors, dangerous as lions, or are you conceited? Are you here to quench your thirst for vengeance? Nay, they withdraw in great fear and awe.”
Tabari VII:10 “Eight months after the Hijrah, Allah’s Messenger entrusted a white war banner to Ubaydah and ordered him to march to Batn Rabigh. He reached the pass of Marah, near Juhfah, at the head of sixty Emigrants without a single Ansari (Medina Muslim) among them. They met the polytheists at a watering place called Ahya. They shot arrows at one another but there was no hand-to-hand fighting.”
Notice all these 'raids' occured without reply from the quraish businessmen.
Fornicator/adulterer:
Tabari 39:194 "He (Muhammad) used to visit her (Mariyam) there and ordered her to veil herself, [but] he had intercourse with her by virtue of her being his property."
Mariyam is also responsible for sura 66 where he threatens Aisha and Hafsa with doom if they come against him, Hafsa caught him in bed with Mariyam he promised her he wouldn't do it again as expected Hafsa told the incident to Aisha who confronted the prophet, but alas allah came to admonish his prophet for denying himself what he has made lawful (raping/sleeping with what his right hands posssess), and had him threaten Hafsa and Aisha with jibreel and virgin wives if they don't keep quiet.
Abraham was a muslim and circumnavigated the black stone and Isaac and the twelve tribes (with no reason given as to why they would circumnavigate that hollowed out meteorite, nothing is explained the edict is "just do it" seems the koran held that motto centuries before Nike)
would you be interested in learning more of this "hollowed out meteorite"?? and what it means?
Tabari I:298 The Black Stone which was originally whiter than snow was brought down with Adam as well as the staff of Moses. It was made from the myrtle of Paradise, which, like Moses, was ten cubits (five meters) tall, and also myrrh and incense. Then anvils, mallets, and tongs were revealed to him. When Adam was cast down upon the mountain, he looked at an iron rod growing on the mountain. The first thing of iron he hammered was a long knife [also known as a sword]. Then he hammered the oven, the one which Noah inherited and that boiled with the punishment in India. When Adam fell down, his head brushed against heaven. As a result, he became bald and passed on baldness to his children. The stone turned black because it was fingered by menstruating women
The sabaens already worshipped the black stone, they had spread myths that it came from heaven, where is the precedence in any of the previous revelations to venerate this stone?
unsubstantiated lies like Mary the mother of Jesus being Aaron and Moses's contemporary sister,
this is a misunderstanding on your and other christians part who claim such a thing... most probably you say this is because you might have read it in one of the muslim tafseers... but it isnt so... the Imran refered to in the verse is not the Imran -father- of Moses but a different Imran -father- of Mary... totally there are 3 Imrans...
Pls read my post, this was not my point I am talking about Mary the mother of Jesus being called Aaron's contemporary sister in the quran. Do you have a tafsir that tells you it's a different Imran, or you are just saying this to get out of a tight spot?
You mean the clouds and sky that come "willingly or unwillingly" the stones that ran away with Moses clothes, and had the sensory neurones to take a beating in the process, the mountains that have been on earth to stabilise it, not to mention the miracle of the chewed piece of meat...
I wont discuss the clouds part but the stone that ran away with Moses' clothes... well ... thats a fabricated hadith... BTW did you know that hadiths are not infallable??? they can be false ... this stone story falls in this category... as for the chewed meat bit... sorry i dont know about it... could you plz post a link to this hadith??? thanks..
It seems it is either corrupt or being interpreted wrong, do you know who Abu Huraira is?
Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please. (Qur'an 2:223)
"Do not marry off but from one to four, and add no more. If you are afraid you will not deal fairly, if you marry more than one, then marry one only or those your hand controls so that you will not act unjustly." sura 4:232-233.
You think wives like to be raped whenever the husband feels like it, or like their husbands to be promisicious and marry other women, and like to justify it claiming this is a divine decree?
Based on what? tell me... is sex a bad thing??? is it evil? if not then waht is wrong with the 1st verse??? i dont see anything wrong with it... and about the marrying part... tell me ...does it say anywhere that men HAVE to marry 4 wives??? i dont think so... it is a permission... marry if you can.. but be fair..
Explain this conundrum to me why is it a woman cannot marry up to 4 husbands?
how do you define rape??? can a husband rape his wife????
???
To accept islam you need to dismiss logic and common sense,
I wonder... is God logical??? is trinity logical??? is God becoming man logical??? there are 3 persons and these 3 are one... hmmmm .... Point is "double standards"
Let me put it in this way:
If you were to speak into a tape recorder, would you agree that tape recorder would be admissable in a court of law as your voice as though emanating from you?
This is how we view Jesus, as the Word of God, as if God Himself was on earth in human form (the tape recorder) speaking as God.
Maybe I should make something clear, I believe islam is not from God, I believe Mohammed was not led by a spirit from God, if I honestly believed something was from the devil, misguiding millions who are unaware of the real life of this so called prophet without a prophecy to his name, you want me to sugarcoat his behaviour?
interesting.... ofcourse you shouldnt sugar coat it... but how do you feel if i state my belief??? I believe paul was the devil. he currpoted Jesus' words...
Islam respects Paul this modern slant of calling Paul the devil has no islamic basis but modern islamic apologetics to find a scape goat, I can show you places where Mohammed plagiarised the writings of Paul.
Point is.. ... so what if you dont like Prophet Muhammed???? By calling him a liar and a cheat... well it doesnt further your cause... you are just showing what kinda person you are... Jesus taught tolerance... yet i dont see any in you.... it is very easy for one to label another... calling someone a liar is very easy... but can you back it up with any evidence??? if not .... then who is the liar???
Let me ask you a question would you call Hitler a bad individual?
How about David Koresh?
Am I believe your islamic doctrine prevents you from ciiting error when you see it?
Or is Mohammed just devoid of any wrong doing no matter what he does?
my comments have been on islam and the man behind it. If you know something will lead millions into the pit of hell, it is your duty as a human being, and as a christian to expose the sham for what it is.
Ditto.... do i need to continue this paragraph???
Show me one miracle or prophecy from Mohammed. The koran being his sole miracle is getting a bit tiresome seeing he didn't oversee one word of it.
I could give you a similar scenario of a thief that was brought to Mohammed but you probably will just call me a hatemonger
Do you live by islamic rules or christian rules???
I fail to see your point by islamic rules thiefs are to have their limbs chopped off, apostates are to be killed, jihad is to be utilised against non believers, but of course a westernised mild approach to islam gives more tolerance than the koran or islam suggests.
Christianity stipulates our price has been paid.
Hence the free pass to sin and all sorts of evil... coz the price has been paid. so much for a just and fail God....
Salvation does not give you the freedom to sin, if you ever met a true christian you would see that there is no desire to sin, it would be like going to your vomit.
Zero tolerance and animosity towards the devil?
When were we talking about the devil here??? unless you have some proof to show that Muhammed is the devil.... but then i too could come up with tons of evidence showing that paul is the devil. do we need to go down this line???
What are the fruits of Mohammed and what are the fruits of Paul
where did Paul sanction having sex with your wife whenever and however you want?
Where did paul sanction adultery and fornication with marrying up to 4 wives?
Where did Paul justify the killing of non christians?
Now you believe Jesus died on the cross? Surely you are aware that this contradicts islamic doctrine, or maybe you are another westernized muslim with his own brand of islam?
No i dont... but you do... hence... dicussion ethics dictate.. for me to show you the errors of your faith i have to do it using your sources... namely the Bible. I cant prove christianity is false or whatever using the Quran to a christian...
All my sources are islamic jurispundence and scripture.