Liberate wrote:I do not know what numbers you are talking about, here is the entire tafsir in it's context pls for the love of God show us any hint to Saudi oil:
That is not the entire Tafsir. The Tafsir starts with the following with the introduction to the Surah 9. Maybe you need to go back and check your self
Did you not see where I said in it's context? Are you going to focus on the very serious allegation of your prophet wtih no prophecy to his name or accuse me of something completely irrelevant to the whole discussion. (As a side note where did I state that the battle of hunayn took part in the 8th, 9th or 10th year of the hijra; was this my point?)
Let us be clear what it is you are talking about
You said sura 9:28 is a prophecy of Saudi oil
H2O wrote:
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O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque (In MAkkah). And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. 9:28
The Makkans today are the lagest suppliers of the world's oil muchless the whole of Arabia now. Also, Arabia which is today called Saudi Arabia is one of the worlds richest countries in the world.
I showed you the tafsir from
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=9&tid=20938 this is what the tafsir says relating to that verse on the very next page:
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(and if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you, out of His bounty.) Muhammad bin Ishaq commented, "The people said, `Our markets will be closed, our commerce disrupted, and what we earned will vanish.' So Allah revealed this verse,
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(and if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you, out of His bounty), from other resources,
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(if He wills), until,
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(. ..and feel themselves subdued.) This Ayah means, `this will be your compensation for the closed markets that you feared would result.' Therefore, Allah compensated them for the losses they incurred because they severed ties with idolators, by the Jizyah they earned from the People of the Book.'' Similar statements were reported from Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, `Ikrimah, Sa`id bin Jubayr, Qatadah and Ad-Dahhak and others. Allah said,
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(Surely, Allah is All-Knowing), in what benefits you,
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(All-Wise), in His orders and prohibitions, for He is All-Perfect in His actions and statements, All-Just in His creations and decisions, Blessed and Hallowed be He. This is why Allah compensated Muslims for their losses by the amount of Jizyah that they took from the people of Dhimmah.
Tell me H20 do you see what the tafsir speaks specifically about in that verse?, do you see the words "
This Ayah means, `this will be your compensation for the closed markets that you feared would result.' Therefore, Allah compensated them for the losses they incurred because they severed ties with idolators, by the Jizyah they earned from the People of the Book"
The above are not my words but the very words of the tafsir relating to sura 9:28.
H20 when I ask you are you contradicting the tafsir what on earth do you think I am talking about?
...Allah commands His believing servants, who are pure in religion and person, to expel the idolators who are filthy in the religious sense, from Al-Masjid Al-Haram. After the revelation of this Ayah, idolators were no longer allowed to go near the Masjid.
This Ayah was revealed in the ninth year of Hijrah. The Messenger of Allah sent `Ali in the company of Abu Bakr that year to publicize to the idolators that no Mushrik will be allowed to perform Hajj after that year, nor a naked person allowed to perform Tawaf around the House. Allah completed this decree, made it a legislative ruling, as well as, a fact of reality. `Abdur-Razzaq recorded that Jabir bin `Abdullah commented on the Ayah,....................
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=9&tid=20938
You now decide to paste mass sections from the tafsir that deal with the battle of Hunayn, accusing me of some grievous phantom error we both know is all you can do to deviate focus on the absurdity of your claim. You said you did not contradict the tafsir,
WOULD U LIKE TO SHOW US ALL WHERE IN THE TAFSIR IT TALKS OR EVEN REMOTELY HINTS OF A SAUDI OIL PROPHECY, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IT REALLY TALKS ABOUT WHICH IS COMPENSATION FROM JIZYA FROM THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK FOLLOWING THE BATTLE OF HUNAYN.
Even more incredulous you decide to quote the tafsir, ofcourse abreviating your quotation right at the point where it makes a mockery of what you initially told us this sura was about; a prophecy of saudi oil, when I ask if you are contradicting the tafsir H20 what do you think I am talking about?
I am left wondering if you really are this desperate to prove something in your koran, you are prepared to deceive to the point that you would quote something that contradicts you knowing full well it contradicts you but selectively quote it prior to the point where the reader will see that either you are seriously deluded or are taking them for fools, secretly hoping as you have done all along that nobody reads your source, and calls your bluff.
Verse 28 is a Prophecy that Allah will ENRICH them in which at that time they were in poverty. Did not that nation become ENRICHED with wealth that they never had before ?
Pls refresh our memories, where is the Saudi oil prophecy you were talking about?
Am I to take it you are now admitting this has nothing to do with a Sauidi oil prophecy, but somehow it was still a prophecy because they were poor and they became rich?
Let me remind you of what you said in an earlier post:
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...When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. Deuteronomy 18:20-22
Omega I havent forgot about this verse. As a matter of fact this was the verse I used to test the Quran with as final confirmation before becoming a Haneef. Now lets put it to the test.
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O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise (9:2
Allah said to the muslim Arabs in the time of Muhammad that HE will soon enrich them. And it doesnt take a 12th grader to know the arabs were a poor nation at that time in which the Biazantine and Persian empires didnt dominate them. When did the Arab muslim of that region become RICH ? Who supplies the 1/3 of the world's oil and has the LARGEST oil reserves in the world. Is not Saudi Arabia one of the richest countries in the world that is now a GOLD MIND ? Hmm let see some fact here .
Which is it? Now you are telling us the arabs were wealthy but u said earlier as shown above that they were poor, and because of this 'prophecy'of Saudi oil that you came to be a 'haneef' muslim, before you start being an apologetic for something at least make up your mind what you believe.
I would like you to give me a yes or a no answer here:
"do you think that verse is a prophecy on saudi oil"?