Christian/Muslim ThreadsWhat qualifies Muhamad as a prophet ?Hi Liberate... first off... my apologies for the "save your rear end" comment.... i shouldnt have said it... got carried away....i was under the impression that you were just making claims with no actual study... anyways... How are you doing?? all well i hope.... i just have one question.... how did you reach to a conclusion that Islam is non-divine? I understand that your beliefs as as such... but there must have been a point in time when you didnt think so.. so how did you reach such an idea? there are 3 ways to learn. 1. from pro or anti books... which i am sure you know will give you a biased view of things. 2. from people (once again pro - anti ) 3. "coz i said so" .... and obviously this does nto apply to you, right? let me tell you this.... reading from books and listening to people etc is what creates the "first impressions are last impressions" and based on this only does teh person further his knowledge... i for one always knew that Islam Christianity and Judaism are all from the same source... ( just for the record i was then just 10 or 11 years old... ) I dont come from a religious family... i used to be a catholic back then... but it was just for names sake... didnt mean much to me... but i knew there was or rather is a God. So my basic assumption to start off with was that all 3 are from the same source and they are progressive... mainly because they all have the same info... i mean if Islam was not right... then it wouldnt have any biblical text in it.... it wouldnt support any of the biblical Prophets... interestingly the very same argument can be applied to Judeao - Christian thing... if Christianity were not right then it wouldnt have any jewish text in it... it wouldnt support the Prophets of past... or to put it in simpler terms... A jew does not recognise a christian mainly because the OT doesnt mention Jesus. But christians say otherwise. similarly a christian does not recognise a muslim mailny because Prophet Muhammed is not mentioned in the NT... but he did exist. He did preach the same thing... but if this line of argument were to be discounted ... then isnt christianity also a sham in jewish views???? The very same claim a christian makes to a jew ... a muslim makes to a christian... Just because the Jews say Jesus was not a divinely ordained person doesnt make him an imposter... similarly just because a christian says Muhammed was an imposter doesnt make him one either.... do you understand waht i am saying? Are you familiar with the phrase "innocent until proven guilty" ?? its called benefit of the doubt.... anyways.... this isnt important... you claimed that no one was there to vouch for Prophet Muhammed's prophethood... if i am not mistaken John the baptist was the only one who vouched for but not in exact clear words.... I think it was "make way for the great one" .... and this was taken up in blind faith... i.e. no one was there to vouch for John... except for a prophecy of Isiah... of the one who will cry out in the wilderness .... i mean lets be rational here... i can accept your claim that no one was there to vouch for Prophet Muhammed ... but what about Jesus?? Just John the Baptist??? who could very easily have just read the passage and decided to take it upon himself... but plz do not consider this a mockery of John of Jesus... they mean as much to us as to you... i am just trying to show you the absurdity of your claim that no one was there to second a persons claim of prophethood.... How about Moses??? or Noah?? or even Abraham??? did someone come and second their claims??? and another thing ... in the case of John the baptist's "make way" statement... what is the gaurantee that he is truily one from God???? none... once again ... i am not making a mockery of John... just trying to show you the absurdity of your prophethood requirements claim.... This has got to be a result of blind hatered.... unless you have any proof ... this is just another lie... and to be honest with you... statements such as this reduces a persons credibility... believe me... in the future when you post anything but cant back it up... people will just call you a lame liar and ignore you... and that really doesnt help your cause ... if people ignore you ... how will you be able to show them the errors of their ways???? I dont understand this comment... how is marrying more than one incestious filth??? plz explain.... God never spoke to anyone other than Prophet Muhammed... in his time... however... during the time of Jesus did God speak to anyone else? or maybe during the time of Moses??? How about Abraham??? or even Noah??? as far as i can remember when God was "dealing" with one prophet... no other person also had such a "dealing".. actually the Deu 18:18 verses are talking or rather prophesysing the comming of Prophet Muhammed... which is a confirmation of his Prophethood... which interestingly enough is not mentioned in your post... once again with no proof to back up your claim... it will be regarded as just another lie... thereby reducing your credibility even more... would you be interested in learning more of this "hollowed out meteorite"?? and what it means? this is a misunderstanding on your and other christians part who claim such a thing... most probably you say this is because you might have read it in one of the muslim tafseers... but it isnt so... the Imran refered to in the verse is not the Imran -father- of Moses but a different Imran -father- of Mary... totally there are 3 Imrans... in God's grand scheme of things... Father of Moses and Aron, Father of Mary, and Father of Ali (also known as Abu Talib) Doesnt God in the Bible threaten the unbelievers??? with hell fire and brimstone??? or would you also call the Biblical authors demented lunatics??? Did you know that the christians stole the jewish books??? and copied it and claimed it as theirs??? I wont discuss the clouds part but the stone that ran away with Moses' clothes... well ... thats a fabricated hadith... BTW did you know that hadiths are not infallable??? they can be false ... this stone story falls in this category... as for the chewed meat bit... sorry i dont know about it... could you plz post a link to this hadith??? thanks.. God. Not Muhammed... no one prays to or worships Prophet Muhammed. He was just a mere mortal... Based on what? tell me... is sex a bad thing??? is it evil? if not then waht is wrong with the 1st verse??? i dont see anything wrong with it... and about the marrying part... tell me ...does it say anywhere that men HAVE to marry 4 wives??? i dont think so... it is a permission... marry if you can.. but be fair.. if you cant then dont marry more than one. and plz tell me where or how do you say rape is the theme here??? why do you use this word so often? do you think muslim husbands rape their wives? how do you define rape??? can a husband rape his wife???? I wonder... is God logical??? is trinity logical??? is God becoming man logical??? there are 3 persons and these 3 are one... hmmmm .... Point is "double standards" interesting.... ofcourse you shouldnt sugar coat it... but how do you feel if i state my belief??? I believe paul was the devil. he currpoted Jesus' words... he destroyed what Jesus had done. He is the real founder of christianity (as we know it today) not Jesus... He was a liar. he cheated... persecuted... do you want me to go on???? Point is.. ... so what if you dont like Prophet Muhammed???? By calling him a liar and a cheat... well it doesnt further your cause... you are just showing what kinda person you are... Jesus taught tolerance... yet i dont see any in you.... it is very easy for one to label another... calling someone a liar is very easy... but can you back it up with any evidence??? if not .... then who is the liar??? Ditto.... do i need to continue this paragraph??? Do you live by islamic rules or christian rules??? Hence the free pass to sin and all sorts of evil... coz the price has been paid. so much for a just and fail God.... When were we talking about the devil here??? unless you have some proof to show that Muhammed is the devil.... but then i too could come up with tons of evidence showing that paul is the devil. do we need to go down this line??? No i dont... but you do... hence... dicussion ethics dictate.. for me to show you the errors of your faith i have to do it using your sources... namely the Bible. I cant prove christianity is false or whatever using the Quran to a christian... My apologies... i shouldnt have said that... You see accusations and stuff go both ways... all i ask for is a decent discussion... in all my posts on this forum... i try to do just that... sometimes i get carried away... but i try... i hope everyone else follows this as well... after all how can 2 grown up mature men discuss if both are talking negatively???? Anyways... if you are offended by my posts... my apologies... i dont mean to hurt anyone... Peace dude... Ali |
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