MuslimGladiator wrote:Peace be upon who follows the right way,
To Apple Pie,
Do you know Apple Pie? You remained me with two persons; every one of them is a son for a famous writer in his country. Both writers were from different counties. One of these writers was Arabic while the other was Jewish.
The son of the Arabic writer
1-Has the memo of his dad in Arabic. The Language his father was speaking.
2-And it is just one version of the memo contained one story.
While the son of the Jewish writer
1-Has not the original memo of his father nether in Hebrew nor in Aramaic.
2- All what he has many translations of the memos of his father in Greek, although his father never spoke Greek!
3- Moreover that, there are many different translation of his father's memo,
4-and big problem is no translation is a like the other translation.
5- There is no name for the translator.
6-There is no date for the translation.
The son of the Jewish writer always used to tell the son Arabic writer, "Your memos in Arabic, but where is the original. "
The sons of both writers went to the Museum to sell their father's memo.
Which memo do you think the manager of the Museum will accept?
The one with the most extant verifiable evidence.
Your first example (assumed to be representing your book of faith), assumes many things:
• Assumes that his “dad” wrote the note….
of which there is no extant physical evidence anywhere within a century of this supposed event – thus, it is patently false to state that “his dad” even write or dictated the note.
• Since no “original” can be found anywhere in the known world,
it also assumes that it was originally written in Arabic….which it obviously was not.
• Further, since no extant originals can be produced (only copies); it is pure conjecture that there is only one story and not other versions or abrogation to the text
• Further still,
no comparisons have been made between the “Arabic memo” to the “Jewish memo” because the Arabic son is afraid of what he may find.
• Additionally, the Jewish “memo” has fully intact extant copies in World Museums that are freely available for critical examination - that precede that of the Arabic “memo” by centuries – which are not freely made available for scrutiny.
Based upon this….the Jewish “memo” has by far the most credibility…
During my reply for Kai, there you will see the Original Quran? And the main point you do not want to believe? So, what is the main point? You do not seek the truth. You just seek an argument with nonsense.
You cannot even so much as “google” an Islamic website that even shows a picture of a 1400+ year old Koran.
This has to be bothersome to you.
Your myth has been broken.
Period.
You will see the Original Quran with evidences and witness of the famous scientists, will you believe after it?
There are no “famous scientists” that can show us a 1400+ year old Koran.
This is patently false.
You forget to answer my question? Do the Scientists in Turkey museum tells the people a lie about every important document they have in their museum?
Bring forth your evidence.
When American scientists in Chicago Museum compared the fragments they have with the original book in Turkey Museum, what did they find?
Bring forth your evidence.
When the Scientist in Russia compared the version they have with original book in Turkey Museum what did they find?
Bring forth your evidence.
Note: All of us know how Turkey became care less about Islam after Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, Turkey is not required to have a lying book in their Musem. Especially there are other scientiss investigated it, plus there is no Khilafa in wish Muslims should support Turkey?
Bring forth your evidence.
I asked every Muslim even if the new converted to read your Article Apple pie? Because you are a very good dawa (invitation) for Islam. I have been in debates for about 8 years now. And no one asked me where the original Quran is? Because of after that, the matter will be over. They simply know that we have it but they say they did not believe in our prophet (Peace and Mercy of Allah be upon him). After assuring of you Apple Pie that the Quran we have now is the Original, Will you think in Islam?
It is people like yourself that perpetuate the myth of a 1400+ year old Koran.
Face it….it does not exist.
It has never existed.
It will never exist.
There are only copies of fragments of suras that date to more than a century
after Islam’s so called “prophet”.
This is unimpeachable fact.
Tell me this….why (if the Koran has never changed and has supposedly existed for 1400+ years), was it written down….?
The answer is quite clear….oral transmission is prone to errors.
The authors of the Koran saw this. Why can’t you.
That’s why it was written down in the first place….and centuries after the events were to have taken place…
Thanks…