Christian/Muslim ThreadsScholar Bart Ehrman confess that the Bible we have is ....Muslim gladiator wrote: Kai responds: I simply fail to see the logic here: first and most, if the Bible has been corrupted, then the Koran is a book of error: The Arabic word for book here is 'kitab' which means book, and the word Bible is Latin and means book. If the Bible is corrupt, why is Muhammad commanded to CONSULT those who were reading the book (Bible) before him. Is Allah really commanding his last prophet to consult a a corrupted book? Well gladiator you tell me? Next point: In fact gladiator, even your attempt to discredit the Bible goes against what your holy book commands. In fact you are not even permitted to dispute with me. The solemn attitude from you, should be: 'we believe in the same books and the same God'. Your intention however, is the opposite, you THEREFORE descredit my Book, which means you are a rebellious Muslim who has gone astray and will burn in hell: Even your whole attitude that I should leave my Book and accept your book fails on two points: First your Koran tells ME to FOLLOW my own book and NOT the Koran: If the Bible is corrupted, why does the Koran, which according to you is the Word of God instruct me, a Christian to PERFORM my book? Secondly, if the Bible was corrupt, based on all these passages, why should I become a Muslim (you have not stated so yet, but that is obviously your desire); in that case we should both leave our religions and find the truth; obviously if the Koran gives credit to a corrupted book, both are corrupted, right? And now to the passage you are posting: First point, there are various passages which indicate a local corruption of the Torah; however there are elements which need to be considered: The Koran claims that some Jews were dishonest about scripture, but not all: Sura 3:199 states:
In other words even though some Jews would have corrupted Scripture, such practice did not apply to all and hence we do not have a overall corruption of Scripture, only local ones. Secondly, the passage you quoted is not quoted in its context: If you look at the previous verse, it reveals that we are dealing with a local corruption, not a general one: OBVIOUSLY IF THESE PEOPLE DID NOT KNOW SCRIPTURE, HOW COULD THEY CORRUPT THEM? What is even more interesting is that, this same group of Jews, do not only tamper with the Torah, THEY TAMPER WITH THE KORAN AS WELL:
Hence if we are going to apply Sura 2: 78-79 to overall Bible corruption, we have a few problems: 1. The corruption is local, caused by a group of Jews, who do not know Scripture. 2. It would contradict passages in the Koran which reveal that the Islamic attitude to Christian and Jews should be a full acceptance of their Scriptures. 3. IF THE BIBLE HAS BEEN CORRUPTED BY THESE INDIVIDUALS, THE KORAN IS MOST PROBABLY CORRUPTED AS WELL. MY CONCLUSION, THE SO CALLED CHRISTIAN SCHOLAR YOU ARE REFERRING TO AND THE KORAN ARE NOT IN AGREEMENT. HE MIGHT BELIEVE THAT THE BIBLE IS CHANGED, YET THE KORAN DOES NOT VERIFY THAT, IN FACT ANY MUSLIM WHO PROPOSES SUCH AN IDEA IS NOT A MUSLIM AND IS CONDEMNED TO HELL-FIRE. THEREFORE GLADIATOR YOU CAN CHOOSE TO BELIEVE YOUR KORAN OR Mr. Bart Ehram, YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS! |
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