The reply for Kai Habard
Peace be upon who follows the right way,
Your Kai Habard said,
first and most, if the Bible has been corrupted, then the Koran is a book of error:
Quote:
“If you Muhammad are in doubt regarding that which we have revealed to thee, ask THOSE who READ the BOOK from BEFORE YOU” (Sura 10:94).
The Arabic word for book here is 'kitab' which means book, and the word Bible is Latin and means book.
If the Bible is corrupt, why is Muhammad commanded to CONSULT those who were reading the book (Bible) before him.
Is Allah really commanding his last prophet to consult a a corrupted book? Well gladiator you tell me?
And my reply to so smiply is
I think your studying for Arabic languange is so weak
let us see the translation for the meanings of the Quran for this verse,
(Surah 10, Verse 94)
{[94] So if you (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, (i.e. that your name is written in the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) then ask those who are reading the Book (the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it).}
The Quran said {then ask those who are reading the Book (the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) before you} which means those who converted and believed in Islam like the friend of prophet (Abdel Allah bin Salm), the fifthful People of the Book who believed in our Prophet and they can read the other books. If the Quran means you Jews and Christian, the verse should be like that {then ask the People of the Book who are reading the Book (the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) before you}
If you want to know the meaning of the pharse, who are those reading the Book (the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) before you}
Then go to (Surah 7, Verse 157), There is the translation of the meanings of the Quran for this verse.
[157] Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write (i.e. Muhammad (peace be upon him)) whom they find written with them in the Taurât (Torah) (Deut, xviii, 15) and the Injeel (Gospel) (John xiv, 16), - he commands them for Al-Ma'rûf (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all that Islâm has ordained); and forbids them from Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief, polytheism of all kinds, and all that Islâm has forbidden); he allows them as lawful At-Taiyibât ((i.e. all good and lawful) as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons, foods), and prohibits them as unlawful Al-Khabâ'ith (i.e. all evil and unlawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons, foods), he releases them from their heavy burdens (of Allâh's Covenant), and from the fetters (bindings) that were upon them. So those who believe in him (Muhammad (peace be upon him)) honor him, help him, and follow the light (the Qur'ân) which has been sent down with him, it is they who will be successful.}
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You Kai Hagbard stated (Surah 29, Verse 46)
{[46] And argue not with the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), unless it be in (a way) that is better (with good words and in good manner, inviting them to Islâmic Monotheism with His Verses), except with such of them as do wrong; and say (to them): "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you; our Ilâh (God) and your Ilâh (God) is One (i.e. Allâh), and to Him we have submitted (as Muslims)."}
and I say,
and I do not know why did your state it? but, yes we believe there was a Bible but is has been changed. And we believe in Jesus or Isa as a good prophet. And we believe that Allah is our God and your God too.
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You Kai Hagbard Stated (Surah 4, Verse 136)
{[136] O you who believe! Believe in Allâh, and His Messenger (Muhammad (peace be upon him)) and the Book (the Qur'ân) which He has sent down to His Messenger, and the Scripture which He sent down to those before (him); and whosoever disbelieves in Allâh, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Last Day, then indeed he has strayed far away.}
And I say,
Yes we believe there were Holy books before Islam. And we believe in Jesus's Gospel which he had been given by God. But where it is? I can see Luke Gospel. Mark..etc. I really wish to see Jesus's Gospel. As you know Jews do not believe in Jesus at all, even if as a prophet and Jesus in their books just a lair man. Anyways, Jews does not believe in a Gospel at all. But we Muslims Believe in all of that as we believe it has been changed. And now there are alot of Un-Muslims scientists proves what Quran said from moreo than 1400 years.
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You Kai Hagbard said
Even your whole attitude that I should leave my Book and accept your book fails on two points:
First your Koran tells ME to FOLLOW my own book and NOT the Koran:
Quote:
“Say, O people of the book! You are not founded on anything until you PERFORM the TORAH and the GOSPEL, and what was revealed to you from your Lord” (Sura 5:68-71)
If the Bible is corrupted, why does the Koran, which according to you is the Word of God instruct me, a Christian to PERFORM my book?
Secondly, if the Bible was corrupt, based on all these passages, why should I become a Muslim (you have not stated so yet, but that is obviously your desire); in that case we should both leave our religions and find the truth; obviously if the Koran gives credit to a corrupted book, both are corrupted, right?
And I reply,
I wonder how can not you understand the verse although it is very clear,
The translation of the meanings of (Surah 5, Verse 68)
{[68] Say (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! You have nothing (as regards guidance) till you act according to the Taurât (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), and what has (now) been sent down to you from your Lord (the Qur'ân)." Verily, that which has been sent down to you (Muhammad (peace be upon him)) from your Lord increases in most of them (their) obstinate rebellion and disbelief. So be not sorrowful over the people who disbelieve.}
And I think your can understand Arabic too so you can reread the verse in Arabic yourself. U could see the words of the verse
{"O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! You have nothing (as regards guidance) till you act according to the Taurât (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel)} But your eyes were blind to see the other words of the verse and what does it mean {and what has (now) been sent down to you from your Lord (the Qur'ân)}.
The Verse wanted calls you Christians and Jews to enter to Islam. I think that answer one of its questions about why should you be a Muslim and u wonder if it was just my desire. The verse ask You Christians and Jews to act according to the Torah and Gospel. As the other people who converted to Islam, why did they do that? Read in the Quran and try to understand it. The verse asked u to follow the right Torah and gospel which stated there are another prophet will be come called Ahmed. You should read Greek Bible then you will understand then if our prophet has been stated in the Bible(old and new testaments or not).
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You Kai Hagbard stated (Surah 3) (Verse 113)
And I reply,
The translation of the meanings of (Surah 3) (Verse 113)
{[113] Not all of them are alike; a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right, they recite the Verses of Allâh during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer.}
Ask yourself Kai Hagbard, whom recite the verses of Allah during the hours of the night? First of all we do not know if the verses if the Bible is right or not. Quran stated that in its verses and new Scientists assured it nowadays. So, where is the verses of Allah can be found. It is smiply in the Quran. The verse talks about who converted to Islam.
Reread verse {(Surah 7, Verse 157)}
That is why Quran said , not all of them are alike. Because some of them know the truth and they see Islam like Abdel Allah ibn Salam.
In Tafseer ibn Katheer
وَالْمَشْهُور عِنْد كَثِير مِنْ الْمُفَسِّرِينَ كَمَا ذَكَرَهُ مُحَمَّد بْن إِسْحَق وَغَيْره . وَرَوَاهُ الْعَوْفِيّ عَنْ اِبْن عَبَّاس : أَنَّ هَذِهِ الْآيَات نَزَلَتْ فِيمَنْ آمَن مِنْ أَحْبَار أَهْل الْكِتَاب كَعَبْدِ اللَّه بْن سَلَام وَأَسَد بْن عُبَيْد وَثَعْلَبَة بْن شُعْبَة وَغَيْرهمْ . أَيْ لَا يَسْتَوِي مَنْ تَقَدَّمَ ذِكْرهمْ بِالذَّمِّ مِنْ أَهْل الْكِتَاب وَهَؤُلَاءِ الَّذِينَ أَسْلَمُوا وَلِهَذَا قَالَ تَعَالَى " لَيْسُوا سَوَاء " أَيْ لَيْسُوا كُلّهمْ عَلَى حَدّ سَوَاء بَلْ مِنْهُمْ الْمُؤْمِن وَمِنْهُمْ الْمُجْرِم وَلِهَذَا قَالَ تَعَالَى" مِنْ أَهْل الْكِتَاب أُمَّة قَائِمَة " أَيْ قَائِمَة بِأَمْرِ اللَّه مُطِيعَة لِشَرْعِهِ مُتَّبِعَة نَبِيّ اللَّه فَهِيَ قَائِمَة يَعْنِي مُسْتَقِيمَة " يَتْلُونَ آيَات اللَّه آنَاء اللَّيْل وَهُمْ يَسْجُدُونَ " أَيْ يُقِيمُونَ اللَّيْل وَيُكْثِرُونَ التَّهَجُّد وَيَتْلُونَ الْقُرْآن فِي صَلَوَاتهم-
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I hope that be enough for your Kai Hagbard. Because you didd not the manuscripts in Arabic well or I do not know. May be your just did not understand it well.
If you want to see the manuscripts of the Quran which in a Musem. That means it has been investigated from all Scientists. We have not found anyone came and say this Manuscrpit does not belong to the first Century of Hajra.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/ ... pkapi.html
Fianlly, I really wish u reply to the Professor who said Bible is not right instead of attack Quran. I really wished if you had anything against the evidences which the professor stated. But I did not find anything.
You left the man who stated the truth about the Bible and you started to attack Islam. If you have a wrong book, try to see the light book. Many before you go through this experiment.
Thanks God, I am a Muslim.