Trinity DebateBefore Abraham Was,I AMIf people are so determined to believe something different, they'll say anything to prove their points. God also declares that He is the Savior and Redeemer of man, and other titles the Son also holds. So why didn't Jesus correct Thomas? If someone called you "God", and you weren't God, you'd correct them, right. I choose to comment on the gist of the thread, that the Son wasn't a preexistent being. I wasn't talking about Logos, nor were the verses. Jesus shows us that He was a preexistent being. Unless you comment on those verses directly, you just haven't answered the question. Jesus reveals to us that He was a person who knows of Heavenly things No one has gone up to heaven except the one who has come down from heaven, the Son of Man. The one who comes from above is above all. The one who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of earthly things. But the one who comes from heaven (is above all). These verses are self-explanatory. Jesus came from Heaven. He is a Heavenly being, to say the very least. His seed was created miraculously as a perfect uncorrupted human body for the divine Jesus. Now that is an interpretation of men, like your Unitarian buddies. Observe the verse again. Phillipians 2:7 Rather, he emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, coming in human likeness; and found human in appearance This verse is also self explanatory. Intense obfuscating must be done to turn this into something else. Jesus was a divine person and emptied himself of His preexistent Lordliness and came to earth as a humble servant, taking on human likeness and appearance. Everyone believes that! C'mon. What do you say about the Transfiguration? Jesus transfigured Himself into His preexistent glory. He is a divine being of pure light and power, far higher than the angels. Hebrews 1 states that. In Hebrews 2, it's stated that temporarily Jesus was lower than the angels. This correlates to Jesus emptying Himseld and taking the form of a man. Man is lower than the angels. God is higher than the angels. Some seeds fall on shallow soil, where they grow for a time but die. Their faith isn't deep enough. I don't see a reason to batter around God's word and squeeze from it my own beliefs. So Jesus is a preexistent being and is "the very imprint of the Father's being", He proceeds from the Father and is like Him in God nature. The Nicene Creed is so based in scripture that when you say it's polluted with paganism, this is a major turn off to me. You're closeminded to my explanations of Catholic beliefs, which indicates to me you could be equally closeminded to God's truth. I find it logically impossible for you to be open to God's truth and be closed to other truths I present you with about my Catholic beliefs. You are a walking paradox! Some things in scripture that I said were self explanatory need some more explaining on your part before you can make an outrageous claim like this. |
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