Trinity DebateBefore Abraham Was,I AMman. it never ends with you. you still failed to address what i said about your position. (i assume because you realize that i'm right). you ARE making stuff up. i was only part of ONE of the debates that you mentioned, and yet you said i had abandoned all three. that's MAKING STUFF UP. and who said i abandoned it? i felt like the subject had satisfactorily been discussed, and that we were getting nowhere because you keep bringing up the SAME arguments and refuse to listen to or accept the answers that we give. and yet, somehow, it seems like we're supposed to accept the answers that you give. just like Muslims i debate, you refuse to accept the answers that we give, but expect us to accept yours. like what? the ones that say Jesus is a man? we agree with that. WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE??? we have the SAME answer for those verses. JESUS WAS FULLY HUMAN. there's ANOTHER problem right there. it's hard to debate with someone who's constantly misunderstanding the answers and statements presented. i wasn't saying that YOU didn't understand what the word "context" meant, i was saying that it seems like YOU think that WE don't understand what it means. you're so pugnacious that it clouds your thinking even on simple irrelevant subjects. really? because, as we have gone over, there are verses that say the Father is Divine (God), that the Son is Divine (God), and that the Holy Spirit is Divine (God). if this is not the case, then blasphemy abounds in the NT. and a Unitarian views opens itself to blasphemy of the highest degree when calling anyone but the Father "Only Lord" and "God". ABSOLUTE NEGATION. you simply refuse to respond to that fact that i keep mentioning. then the NT blasphemes against God by it's language. it's so hard to believe that you're actually saying these things. this is why it's so hard to debate with you without losing one's mind. i'm gonna say this one last time (hopefully): we are not saying that because Jesus is called Lord, and the Father is called Lord that ipso facto Jesus is God (at least i'm not arguing for that right here). we're saying (specifically regarding 1 Cor 8:6) that Jesus is called the ONE or ONLY Lord, and that therefore the Father is NOT Lord (according to YOUR interpretation which takes the first part of the verse to mean ONLY ONE GOD the FATHER); which is FALSE. the Father IS Lord (Luke 4:8 ). THAT'S what we're saying. that cute little analogy of King Agrippa and Abraham that you KEEP bringing up is not even the issue here (and even on that note, they could never be called "Lord" the same way that Jesus was because Jesus was SINLESS, while these men were not and were excluded from being Divine or God or even perfect). so NONE of your arguments work. what you continue to call "out of context" is actually a deduction based on GOOD biblical hermeneutics from the Word. no other interpretation makes sense except that Jesus is ONE in Nature with the Father and Holy Spirit. You give praise and worship to what you believe is a created being, and in so doing violate God's law and become an idolater (Exodus 20). simple as that. |
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