Trinity DebateBefore Abraham Was,I AMYou really need to read what I post. I addressed your "one flesh" argument. A married couple is "one flesh" until they divorce or die. It is a temporary "compound unity" and is also an analogy of what marriage is all about. As to Proverbs 8 and what I posted here is your response: As to the Son being the "logos" if you have read all the threads dealing with the Trinity I have posted more than once that the "logos" is the verbalization of God's predetermined plan for the salvation of mankind. Since thoughts precede words what you see as a contradiction in my pasts is simply your interpretation of what I post. Now as to your response concerning Jesus being the seed of the woman see Genesis 3:15 and the seed of Abraham see Genesis 22:18. There is not one Scripture that states the Messiah is to be from the "seed" of God. Mary was not impregnated with a human "seed", she was impregnated by the power of God when she was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit. I am pleased you agree that Jesus was FULLY HUMAN since that is what Scripture makes clear. However, Scripture never even alludes to Jesus being God. In fact if you accept the word "one" to mean "one" then Scripture is clear there is but one God, the Father. Other than Thomas' excited utterance in John 20:28 no other verse states Jesus is God. And when you understand Hebrew culture you would understand that Thomas' utterance can be understood as the Son being honored as the Father's anointed King and heir. What Scripture does tell us is the Son is the image of the invisible God and the exact representation of God's nature, not His substance. You and Believer keep posting I do not understand the Trinity, which is false. I do understand the Trinity and have come to reject this traditional doctrine based on every word that procedes from the mouth of God. You both keep appealing to the majority of professed Christians as proof this doctrine is true. But if the majority ruled then we would all be Catholics since Catholicism is by far the largest group of professed Christians. If you believe in a pre-trib rapture, OSAS, Calvin's 5 points, and all other non-Catholic doctrines you are in the minority. From Matthew through Revelation the Son is portrayed as subject to God and God's servant. The Son is not omniscient, which is just one of the attributes of God not shared with the Son. Neither Peter, John, Paul, James, or Jude disagrees with the above. None of the NT authors refers to Jesus as God. Men from the 2nd century forward have interpreted select Scriptures and tried to redefine some words to come up with the doctrine of the Trinity. |
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