Aineo wrote:
I have posted many Scriptures that show your interpretation is false. Jesus never claimed to be God and said that there is only one true God - the Father.
John 10:30
I and the Father are one.
John 10:33
"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
Now, lets look are Revelation and who is "Alpha and Omega".
Revelation 1:8
8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
NAS
Revelation 21:4-6
5 And He who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." And He said, "Write, for these words are faithful and true." 6 And He said to me, "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.
NAS
Revelation 22:10-14
10 And he said to me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. 11 "Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and let the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and let the one who is holy, still keep himself holy." 12 "Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. 13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." NAS
The Alpha and the Omega is Yehovah not Jesus. John never refers to Jesus as the Lord God and neither does any other Bible author. So, I reject your "interpretation".
so you're saying that verse 7 isn't Jesus?:
Look, he is coming with the clouds,
and every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
and if you agree that verse 7 is Jesus, then why is not verse 8 Jesus as well? clearly the Father wasn't "pierced". but then again, in verses 17-18 we see:
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
it's clear that ALL of these passages are clearly referring to Jesus. to conclude anything else is pure desparation.
As to comparing what I believe with what Muslims and JW's believe you are only showing your ignorance of what both religions believe about Jesus compared to what I believe.
as a matter of fact, i'm very familiar with both of these religions (especially JW now after talking to you, you guys have the same false arguments, so i thank you for that). and if you had actually READ what i wrote, you'd see that i didn't say that you guys BELIEVED the same things, only that you SOUNDED like them. what they believe about Jesus compared to you? Muslims don't believe in Him the way we do, but they do believe He was created. i was just saying that your arguments are similar, which is why you sound like one. but the JWs' view of Jesus is nearly identical to yours. they may have some other false beliefs, but some of the more intelligent JWs believe nearly exactly what you do regarding Jesus. maybe YOU don't understand very well what the JWs believe about Jesus.
The fact you have refused to actually address those Scriptures that show your "intepretation" is wrong only shows your attitude is more cultish than correct.
you can keep sayin' that all you want. i've addressed EVERYTHING you've said to me, and yet, you haven't done the same to me. you didn't even answer everything i just asked you!
"Elohiym" does not indicate a compound unity as God's word clearly shows to those who are willing to take God at His word. Also your continued insistance that "one flesh", which is only a temporary union disolved by death, supports the Trinity is ludicrous.
why not? you keep charging that the verse that says "Is it not written in your laws, 'I have said that ye are like gods'" uses the word "elohiym". is THAT not compound?
you're horribly inconsistent. and since you keep misunderstanding my application of the verse "one flesh", it's no wonder you're running into confusion. i'm not talking about the eternal state of that union of man and wife. i'm talking about the TERMS USED TO DESCRIBE THEIR STATE HERE ON EARTH. it's talking about ONE FLESH, and yet TWO PEOPLE are involved in that term. whether they be separated or not later by death or whatever is
NUGATORY. for this TEMPORARY existence, the couple is TWO, and yet ONE. you can't escape that. calling it ludicrous is not good enough. argue better. think more clearly.
Now, since you want to believe that we have to interpret Scripture then I reject your interpretation based on the whole word of God and every word that procedes from the mouth of God who tells us that He is one, not three. I also reject your interpretation since Paul wrote there is but one God, the Father and Jesus said the Father is the only true God.
good. so you finally agree that we ALL interpret Scripture. don't you wonder what else you might be wrong about?
Now, since I write my posts you are not in a position to interpret my posts.
i'm glad you realize that. i can't wrongly interpret your posts because you're the one that writes them. but if i get the interpretation right, i doubt you would still reserve that same dissatisfaction with my understanding of what you're saying. same with the Bible. the only way i could know what you mean by something is to have you explain it to me, or BE you. much of what you say proves my points. it's like me and you are arguing against you.
I posted that you and Catholics ignore and reject the plain meaning of words. I did not post you reject Scripture.
you my friend are a liar. what you said was:
As to how you deny Scripture
then you tried to qualify it by saying:
since you (as do Catholics) ignore and reject the plain language meaning of words and Scriptures that prove their doctrines to be false you reject the authority of God's word.
you know good and well i don't do that, and have adequately responded to all that you've said.
If your reply to me is how you "interpret" plain English then your cognative ability is in question.
your belief system is in question, and you haven't been able to demonstrate anything other than a heresy that was rejected early on in church history.