Trinity DebateBefore Abraham Was,I AMAineo wrote: Ahhhhhhh.....finally! you actually answered something that i asked of you. hopefully we're makin' progress now. now regarding 1 Cor 8:6. i admit that it is difficult. it says "One God, the Father". my answer to you is that we need to understand the context in which this statement is made. the passage is juxtaposing false "gods" on one side, with the True God on the other. but what do we find on the other side? Jesus as well. false Gods on one side, the Father and Jesus on the other. putting Jesus in the same category as the Father. another point here is that the word "One" does not necessarily preclude the Trinity as we understand it. it doesn't only mean a complete singularity within the "One". One doesn't always mean singleness within the "One". there can be "One" community, or "One" gathering, or "One" couple. Examples:
i admit that in this verse is qualified by "the Father", but that's how the people understood it, and is not incorrect or a lie as you would charge if there were a Trinity. like i said before, there's adaptation to human finitude, and accomodation to human error. the people understood God as the Father in Heaven, who was distinct from Jesus the Son. therefore, to not make the distinction would be confusing. the last point is that the second part of this verse needs to be addressed by you. if it says "One God, the Father" and you take that to exclude the Son, then you must apply that also to where it says "One Lord, Jesus Christ". but that would then mean that the Father is not Lord, but we know He is: if Jesus is the "One Lord", then that means that the Father is not, and someone was lying. either Paul, or Jesus. you take your pick. yeah, catholics do tend to make a mockery out of biblical passages, and yet so do many others, like those who deny Christ's Divinity. but i've seen even secular people give good answers to Bible questions. i don't agree with MacDonald's and Lewis's view on EVERYTHING, but such clear thinkers have a lot to say when they're in tune with the Bible. ah yes. there's that threat again. if you go back and read our dialogues between you and i, you'll see that you actually get more vicious and out of line than i do. other posters see that as well. you're pugnacious and bitter, and you get angry and insult people constantly. if you cancel me, you'd better cancel yourself as well. i'll leave you with one quote from Thomas Chandler Halliburton that reminds me of you:
great. let's discuss 'em. Deuteronomy 6:4: I don't disagree with. Like i said, "One" does not necessarily mean "singularity". "One" body (in Christ), "One" flesh, "One" community, "One" people. Exodus 20:3: If you accept John 1:1, then you have a "God" (the Word/Christ) beside the Father. Malachi 2:10: see above. 1 Corinthians 8:6: see above. Ephesians 6:4 (actually i think you meant "Ephesians 4:6"): see above. 1 Timothy 2:5: see above. there IS "One God". but that doesn't exclude a plurality of Persons in that "One God". you always talk about context. it's not good to look at these passages without the rest of scripture like i pointed out before: (John 1:1-3; 14, 10:30-33; 34-39, 20:28, 1 Cor 8:6, Philipians 2:6, Hebrews 1:8, Revelations 1:8; 17-18, cf Isaiah 8:5, 9:6). now for you, i wonder why you didn't respond to this that i wrote to you when you fallaciously appealed to 2 Peter 1:20 again:
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