Christian/Muslim ThreadsDebunking Abdurrahman: Pauls corruption of Jesus ChristAbdurrahman wrote: Kai replies: Do you even understand what you posted Could you please explain Matthew 28: 18-20 to me: 1. All power in heaven and earth 2. Make disciples of all nations 3. Do the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit have one name 4. Did you notice that Jesus said Father and Son 5. Teaching them everything I have commanded; does that not contradict all you have said 6. With his disciples always; did you notice that Jesus is omnipresent Abdurrahman wrote:
Kai replies: Well since more than half of the New Testament is not written by Paul how can most of the Christian doctrine come from Paul. Secondly, did you ever make a comparative study of Jesus, Paul, Peter, John and James? If not go ahead bro. Did you ever notice how much of Paul is drawn from Jesus? Concerning Paul’s Phariseeism are you totally sure about this claim, I mean, further down, as we will all notice you clearly reject that Paul was ever a Pharisee but a Sadducee. What are you on about here? Abdurrahman wrote:
Kai replies: In other words Islam is wrong since other sects of heresies such as the Ahmadyas or Bahai emphasised the book of Islam. Marcion was a Gnostic heretic who compiled his own canon of New Testament Scripture, in the early second century. He included Luke’s Gospel except for the first chapter, all Paul’s epistles, except for the Pastorials (the first chapter of Luke was rejected since it contradicted Gnostic teachings; Gnostics typically rejected the Old Testament God of Moses; THUS I DON’T SEE WHY YOU COMBINE PAUL WITH MARCION). However, I am surprised that you bring this stuff up, since Marcion compiled his collection in opposition to the Scriptural canon excepted by Christians over the entire Roman world. If you read church history you would read that Christians at Marcion’s time responded to his collection. In other words Marcion despite being an heretic proves that the New Testament Canon existed in the early second century and prior to that, and that my friend is a big problem for the Islamic religion and virtually anybody who claims that the Gospel is a later fabrication. Also Marcionites did not survive just like many of his contemporary Gnostics, e.g. the Barsilites who used Christian Scripture to back up their Gnostic teachings. Abdurrahman wrote: Kai responds: Are you really sure? I mean this is 2000 years ago! there were genealogical lines. How do you prove your claim, or how do you know? Abdurrahman wrote:
Kai replies: Again how do you know or prove that, this is Tarsus 2000 years ago Abdurrahman wrote: Kai replies: Again we are dealing with a claim, there are various claims about the ebionites, according to some they denied Jesus as God or Son of God, but claimed that he gradually developed into such. Others claim that the ebionites strictly denied any divine origin to Jesus, which might explain why they denied his virgin birth, which interestingly is found in the Koran. The ebionites were only a sect, like so many others |
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