Christian/Muslim ThreadsDebunking Abdurrahman: Pauls corruption of Jesus ChristIntroduction
Kai replies: Actually the writings of Paul are fairly smaller than the Gospels, and when we consider the other New Testament writings such as Acts, the General Epistles and the book of Revelation, it far from presents half of the New Testament. But even if it did, so what? Abdurrahman wrote:
Kai replies: Exactly, how do you historically prove that? Abdurrahman wrote:
Kai replies: Again, exactly, how do you prove that bro! It’s one thing to throw a range of absurd and speculative claims on this forum, it’s another matter to prove them. Secondly, it would surprise you bro, that it is exactly the core of Christianity, which has not shifted from Paul’s writings and they certainly focus on the teachings of Christ. If you bothered to study the New Testament you would notice that there is complete consistency between Jesus and Paul. I know the basics behind your claim, after all my whole studies are based on theology; therefore do not count me as one of the ignorant. And besides what do you recon as absurd? Shall we turn to the Koran and pin point all the scientific absurdities or the permission to rape slaves and war prisoners not to forget the vast amount of contradictions and historical, mathematical and ethical absurdities? Abdurrahman wrote:
Kai replies: How about reading the New Testament: Or how about Colossians 2: 9: . If you knew anything about Christian theology, especially Christology and Logos Theology and Logos Christology, New Testament background and early missionary contextualization you would understand the basic meaning behind 1 Cor. 8: 6: ‘
But I guess this is still too deep for a beginner. Not to offend you bro, but Learning theology takes time and hard work. Abdurrahman wrote:
Kai replies: Well, if the Divinity dwells in him, in bodily form… Abdurrahman wrote:
Kai replies: Well, the greatest one has the ability of omnipresence, and this attribute belongs to the Divine only, never a created being, yet Ephesians 4: 10 writes:
This particular passage consists perfectly with the teachings of Christ:
Abdurrahman wrote:
Kai replies: And so? Trinity is a definition! Abdurrahman wrote:
Kai replies: Well this is what the Quran accusses Christianity for, which is highly dangerous game if you want to protect the integrity of the Koran; however, you are right Paul never designated such practice and neither did Jesus; so again we see that the teachings of Jesus and Paul consists. Let me however, correct you, Christians do not believe that Mary is God or divine; it’s a fact that attributes have be ascribed to her, which are highly unbiblical such a the practice to pray to Mary, but this is not a part of Biblical doctrine. Abdurrahman wrote:
Kai replies: But then again, false teaching is always present, whether we speak about the Bible or the Koran. However, can you exactly provide the documentation, which proves that later Christian scholar’s sat down and deliberately fabricated and added such a doctrine. Because personally I don’t need to elaborate on the church fathers or the early councils to believe in Jesus divinity; as a matter of fact Scripture is sufficient. However, to elaborate a bit more on this; if we are going to see this whole matter from your point of view, one of these addings are related to the Logos Christology. If you want to debate on this matter, go ahead bro, I have a lot of ammunition. My point is, if the Logos is a later fabrication, then why does the Koran so specifically entitle Jesus the Word of God, and a Spirit proceeding from Allah: While the passage clearly rejects Christ’s divinity and Trinity, the language which Muhammad utilizes is Johannine Theological terms, taken from the Gospel of John, in which Jesus is the Word of God (and therefore God) and the Holy Spirit the spirit of Allah proceeding from him. These definitions were some of the major terms used by later scholars in their doctrine about the Trinity, however, notice they are not later but actual biblical. My point is: what are these definitions doing in the Koran? Clearly you have a problem here! |
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