Here is my first reply to Abdurrahman's Second aggressive attack on Paul.
This was virtually easy to deal with, just like the last time; it only frustrates me that Abdurrahman does not do his own research but merely copies every bit from other websites. Also I find it frustrating that Abdurrahman refrains from and valuabel debating with me concerning the way his previous post was debunked and every single of his arguements was refuted.
This is only the first rebuttle, the rest is coming by and by.
Abdurrahman wrote:
In the name of Allah most gracious most merciful
Greetings Kai
I thank you a lot for bringing this important subject as a new topic .
Christians should understand Paul very well to see his false teachings .
Kai responds:
I understand that Muhammad was a false prophet, at least Paul never encouraged rape of female slaves, or war captives, at least Paul never engaged in robbing caravans or invasions. AT LEAST PAUL SHOWED THE FRUITS OF BEING A TRUE PROPHET!
Can the same be said about Muhammad? I guess not!
Abdurrhaman wrote:
Paul was one of the biggest enemy of disciples but after a dream supposedly he became
follower and biggest 'follower' of Jesus(pbuh).
Kai responds:
So what?
Abdurrahman wrote:
Many scholars accept he is the founder of current christian faith .
Kai responds:
So because a scholar believes something, we should all subject to his opinion; how about reading the Gospels, and find out that these scholars are forced to invent new speculations to complete their Doctor degrees, and the more anti-Christian the better, thus most of these individuals are typically wrong.
Sadly you lack the insight to differentiate between the impact of scholars and actual sources.
Abdurrahman wrote:
In the next posts I will show more information about Paul .
Watch how Paul is contradicting himself .
Famous dream of Paul and he is caught lying .
If you want a contradiction , this is for a start.
1. Acts (9:3-7)
[3] Now as he journeyed he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed
about him.
[4] And he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you
persecute me?"
[5] And he said, "Who are you, Lord?" And he said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting;
[6] but rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do."
[7] The men who were traveling with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no
one.
In this description, it is stated that only Paul fell to the ground. And, the other men who
traveled with him did not see anything but heard a voice. Compare this to the next
description:
2. Acts (22:6-9)
[6] "As I made my journey and drew near to Damascus, about noon a great light from heaven
suddenly shone about me.
[7] And I fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to me, `Saul, Saul, why do you
persecute me?'
[8] And I answered, `Who are you, Lord?' And he said to me, `I am Jesus of Nazareth whom you
are persecuting.'
[9] Now those who were with me saw the light but did not hear the voice of the one who was
speaking to me.
In this description, in complete contradiction to the one above, Paul states that those who
traveled with him did not hear the voice but saw the light. The previous description said
that they did not see anything but heard a voice!
3. Acts (26:14)
[14] And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew
language, `Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? It hurts you to kick against the goads.'
In this description, Paul says that they "all" fell to the ground whereas in the previous
description, only Paul had fallen to the ground.
In any court of law, anywhere in the world where justice is upheld, this testimony of Paul
would have been thrown out as fabrication and he would have been prosecuted for perjury.
Kai responds:
Actually I dealt with this when I refuted your previous post; let me re-post it:
Acts 9: 7 states that the men saw no one; however, this phrase in no way contradict Acts 22: 9 which simply states that the men saw a bright light, not Jesus.
This is further confirmed by Acts 26: 13 which verifies that the light was shining all around them; whoever neither text states that the men saw Jesus.
Similarly in Acts 22: 9 the men did no hear the voice; however, they did hear a sound. A similar phenomena occurs in John 12: 27-29:
‘Now my (Jesus) heart is troubled, and what shall I say? Father, save Me from this hour? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour. Father glorify your name’!
Then a voice came from heaven: ‘I have glorified it and will glorify it again’. The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.
Frankly I don’t see why the passages should contradict each other, by not mentioning the falling to the ground of all soldiers (or whatever they were); the most obvious explanation is that the one passage merely focuses on Paul. Otherwise if this claim is absolute, we have to apply the same the same argument to every book and written material in the world and then we will have a pretty chaos.
Actually you are reading words in to the context bro, so again you are playing with your integrity and proving yourself to be dishonest. Paul never said in Acts 22: 7 that only he fell to the ground; he simply said that he fell to the ground; the text therefore does not exclude that all the men fell to the ground, it simply focuses on Paul.