1) Your house is your Mosque, Church, Temple etc where one prays, that should be kept clean, and free from any type of animated or life like images.
you don't have any picture in your house, computer? or on your playstation?
2) Dogs can disturb us when praying, as they can see thing we cannot see, such as Angels and Jinns.
i've never been disturbed by anything in prayer... why are you so weak in faith?
We can only speak on this based on experience rather than trying to explain such a hadeeth which does not explain the reason why Angels dont come into houses where there is a dog or pictures ie animated life like pictures.
you've seen angels not enter?
At my former office we had a guard dog. When ever I went into a room to go pray the dog would break his neck trying to get into the same room I was in and barking up a storm at the door. After I was finished the Dog would stop and go away minding his own business. The dog would be sleeping and would be awaken everytime when I go to make salah in an isolated room when making salah silently.
parrots make noise too, guess we should ban parrots as pets too.
I have a Christian friend who has a dog in his house with pictures in the living room and kitchen. When I go to the guest room that has no images to make salah the dog does not bother me. Then one time his wife decorate the guest room with Christmas images in which I went out side to make salah. All of a sudden the dog, which could not see me, was ranting around in the house wanting get out side and was barking towards my direction. After making salah the dog stopped.
you're as superstitious as muhammed you know.
These are my personal experiences. Dogs can see things we cannot. Ever seen a dog barking into mid air or at a wall or chasing somthing you couldnt even see and thought the dog was going crazy ? These are Jinns playing with your pet and having a field day with him.
jinns have nothing better to do? then play with dogs? i thought they had a life. And it hard for me to picture a semi parallel universe you know. what if humans were jinns, how on earth could you live your own lifes and in the process see humans walking all around and in your way who don't notice you. I've seen dogs chase their tails too, they aren't exactly that intelligent to do everything with a reason. My dog barks at birds, in your interpretation he would bark in mid air at flying jinns.
The hadeeth is backed by Quran on the issue of the dog only as a helper etc but not to have just for a pet. As to the Angels not coming into a house with animated life like Images can only be understood by a muslims whom has experienced the phenomina as your place of worship should be pure and clean of imagery as the Angels come down, as we believe, to join the worhsiper in Salah.
A picture is just a combination of colours and dots wich resemble a figure, what if you had psychological testing papers in your house? in wich some see two faces and wich some see a ink dot. How will a angel judge it from a psychological point of view? does he see a ink dot, and there's no problem? or does he sees two faces and starts cursing your house? hey! he may even see a face in real ink dot, even when you don't have any pictures in your house... guess it's a loose loose situation.
no, why why ? is it important, you don't need those unreliable scraps of paper to base holy laws on, in fact if all those hadiths were destroyed from existence Islam would survive with it complete quran? (yeah right)
Rome wrote:I didnt pick them from a website, I got those hadiths from a MUSLIM book. And there are many, many more.
There are many books written by muslims that doesnt mean some of them are right or wrong. Its take diligent study and labored tasks to root out what is reality. I doubt a Christian will have such ability in doing this with another religion without being influenced by prejudice of his/her own beliefs. Such a task are for those who are seeking to understand and looking for truth, not someone bound to their faith.
you just described yourself and not a christian. Christians at least read other religious books when they start their apologetics wheter that be the avesta, quran, dhammapada or bhagavat gita. Half of the muslims i've seen in here have shunned reading the gospel, yet claim knowing all about it's contence based on a couple of heretical lines against christianity.
Rome wrote:I have located a hadith that says a goat ate part of a surah that was lost (wasted), do you reject this hadith? and if you do, on what grounds?
Which is reported by one person. Also we do not believe such a thing was lost as the only copy makes it silly to believe being the Quran was in such demand and stringent effort to be learnt and memorized.
Nice muslims you got there, shows how much the early muslims really believed in being saved by muhammed's teachings. half of the hadith's are full with unreliable stuff and lies. It raises doubt for the authencity of the quran wich also is a compilation made in the same way.
Liberate wrote:I ask you again H2O if the qiraa were so numerous why did Zaid need to collect leaves and barks and animal skin on which the parts of the koran was written on to collate it, why didn't he just go to a few qiraa to have them recite what they knew,
Sounds like you cant make up your mind. He did collect it from memorizers. How much he collected is unknown, he himself knew a great portion of the Quran, but yet still gathered written materials. From this it sounds like he was confirming the written and oral sources with each other.
Ever occured that he -like confucius- was someone who adhored the ancients and read and collected their tales, that muhammed did the same with abrahamic scriptures (heretical or not) merging it's wisdom with local paganism and gloryfing his own conquests and title comparing himself to the great prophets of Israel...
i agree with his early critics "these are tales of the ancients" and we still have the proof for it today.
Liberate wrote:You H2O state that you do not believe there is a koran in heaven
No wrong. This is what I said :
The Quran mentions more than on particular material it was recorded on which does not conform to the idea of a heavenly book (Singular) as mentioned called Ummul-Kitaab which in indeed the heavenly
The Quran, The Torah, Zuboor, and Injeel etc all came from Ummul-Kitaab in islamic beliefs. The material the Quran mentions were the actual materials the Quran was written on in the time of our Prophet(s.a.w.) which has nothing to do with a heavenly book which is not physical.
Doesn't God know everything, meaning that it's only obvious that everything ever written is known to God? holy or not. Why the unneccarary emphasis?
Liberate wrote:Wait a minute what exactly can you convey in arabic that you are unable to convey in english? Does allah only tolerate arabic?
You cannot translate from one language into another word for word. You loose meaning as each language has its own unique character in expressive meaning.
if you got good translators then you don't loose meaning. such is done with millions of books around the world. the bible still has the languages of it's oldest copies available for study for anyone who doesn't believe it's translations. You can understand the bible, it's meanings and it's words without having to make hebrew a global language.
Liberate wrote:if the koran doesn't mention it it is rejected just as you reject that Mohammed had sexual intercourse with an 8 yr old girl because the koran said marry al-nissa which you automatically take to mean young women therefore Mohammed couldn't have done it with an 8 yr old girl!! (disregarding the law of abrogation which somehow doesn't apply to you because??
It was rejected because the majority of sources contradict such a hadeeth of her being that age.
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love this one... please, entertain me H20. wich other sources?
Liberate wrote:which you have been unwilling to show us it's beliefs and which no one knows what it will cough up when faced with yet another immoral issue) with an attitude like that how can you possibly find fault with any immoral law or action of alledge prophet with a fill in the gaps the way you want it mentality.
It was something practice by people in general even in the USA. You are simply being cultural biased. Even if it was true I still would have no probelm with it cause it was something practice among all nations of people and religions.
If muhammed was a man who represented Allah's laws, he had to uphold them and refrain from abominations. If God spoke to a tribe of cannibals then you must not expect the cannibal to keep on eating others, merely because it's cultural.