Christian/Muslim ThreadsWhy does Allah use the word We to refer to Himse
Excuse me? What exactly are you trying to say here? Tell me you are not purposely being this ignorant? Do you realise your hadith throws your whole argument that the ahafeez had the entire koran memorised from end to end in tatters? The hadith indicates they only had it in bits Read the hadith in it's proper context, it says we have lost those who memorised the koran (never does it state they had the entire koran from end to end memorised btw when are you going to tell us how many these qirra pre and post the battle of yamama were?), Zaid is told to collect the koran so that a bigger part will not be lost, notice it says "whereby a large part of the koran may be lost" the statement makes no logical sense unless it pertains to the koranic material that is being lost: bukhari 6 201 (Narrated Zaid bin Thabit Al-Ansari: Abu Bakr sent for me after the casualties among the warriors (of the battle) of Yamama (where a great number of Qurra were killed). 'Umar was present with Abu Bakr who said: "Umar has come to me and said, the People have suffered heavy casualties on the day of (the battle of) Yamama and I am afraid that there will be some casualties among the Qurra (those who know the Qur'an by heart) at other places, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost...[what do you think it means when it says a large part of the koran will be lost?]
How does this help you? you mean orally he couldn't find anybody else with said verse? or he couldn't find anybody's animal skin, bark, leaves with said verse? This leaves a much bigger question what else could he have left out, your hadiths state several verses are missing.
I am not the one dismissing venerated islamic scholars and historians as idiots who didn't know what they were talking about. I am not the one retranslating the koran and claiming Yusuif Ali, Hilali and Khan, Pickthall, Sher Ali, Ibn Kathir were all in error and made terrible translations and only me with no arabic scholar qualification to my name is so arrogant to proclaim I have the monopoly on the truth and interpretation of islam your fellow muslims have confronted you over this ego you chose not to respond to them, you are what is referred to as driftwood all alone at sea the translator interpretator and imam of your own doctrine, the beginning of a sect.
Sahih(authentic) bukhari 6 201 (Narrated Zaid bin Thabit Al-Ansari:... , unless you collect it. And I am of the opinion that you should collect the Qur'9n.' Abu Bakr added, 'I said to 'Umar, "How can I do something which Allah's Apostle has not done?" 'Umar said (to me) "By Allah, it is (really) a good thing". So 'Umar kept on pressing trying to persuade me to accept his proposal, till Allah opened my bosom for it and I had the same opinion as 'Umar'. (Zaid bin Thabit added 'Umar was sitting with him (Abu Bakr) and was not speaking. Abu Bakr said (to me),'You are a wise young man and we do not suspect you (of telling lies or of forgetfulness); and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Apostle. Therefore, [size=18Look for the Qur'an and collect it [/size](in one manuscript)' [Why would he be told to look for the koran if he already had it memorised??]. By Allah, if he (Abu Bakr) had ordered me to shift one of the mountains (from its place) it would not have been harder for me than what he had ordered me concerning the collection of the Qur'an. I said to both of them, 'How dare you do a thing which the Prophet (pbuh) has not done?' Abu Bakr said,...
H2O I lost interest in taking you seriously long ago, compare what you said above with what you said earlier: http://www.jesus-christ-forums.com/home/viewtopic.php?p=37969 As of july according to your post you weren't associated with the shia but now (November) you are best buddies, I have to wonder how you look yourself in the mirror and pretend to us you really are sure of what you believe in when it is obvious you are making it up as you go along.
Confirmation for what?
Pls make up your mind just a few sentences above you said no now you say yes are you reading what you are typing? You are either desperate for a prophecy or seriously confused.
I am not the one contradicting the english language, by all means show us this rule let us see where you are basing your free lance take on islam from do you know what is stopping any arabic speaker from coming over to you and saying this is what the koran really says?
Which is in effect what you have been saying all along Ibn Kathir is in error and everybody else who disagrees with you which is ... basically everybody and every mainstream doctrine in islam? (do you have a set doctrine for your haneef muslim/s yet? or are there still plenty of things you have to fabricate yet?) BTW H2O you never answered when I asked why do you have a koran link in your signature when you have told us several times it is a terrible translation??? |
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