Christian/Muslim ThreadsWhy does Allah use the word We to refer to HimseThe answer was right up under your nose. As usual you have a bad habit of editing hadeeth in quote for your pathetic criticism. Doesnt look like Zaid was fully dependant upon the written material he also depended on ahafeez. You chose one part of that hadeeth then wanted to apply reason to parts of its sentence but not apply it to the whole entire hadeeth. Lets look at the whole hadeeth. The rising death of the Qurraa'a of the Quran triggered the muslims to transcribe the Quran. It is obvious the Qurraa'a were more important than the written portions of the Quran that were with them and were of lease importance as to their preservation. If the Quran that was written on materials was that important as you infered to be the primary dependant source then the deaths of the Qurraa'a would not have sparked an alarm to transcribe the Quran into a complete text as they already had the Quran in writing with them. Zaid did collect the Quran from both written and Oral sources as the Hadeeth shows. The Quran orally had a greator authority and was more important over the written text as the hadeeth expresses.
โูุชุชุจุนุช ุงููุฑุขู ุฃุฌู ุนู > fatatabb3tu does not mean "So I started locating". fatatabb3tu al-qur'aana ajma'uhu means "So I succeeded" or "and then I succeeded collecting the entire Quran". Sorry, my source for accurate dependence is in Arabic not English. I have no dependence on english Islamic sources. Zaid said he successfully collected the entire Quran. How did he know he collected the entire Quran if he was not Hafeez or not of the Qurraa'a ? He obviously new cause what he transcribed into a complete book had to have been comfirmed by the Qurraa'a ie ahafeez who knew the entire Quran. (1) Nope. I said it was my final confirmation : Why didnt you post this. In which you jumped into the conversation with the following reply:
Thereon after we went into the debate of what that verse is or is not. For me it is a prophecy that the Arab muslims of that region would be enriched. You argued about what ibn Katheer stated, in which I disagree with, about the booty they collected after the tribal war and your accusation of the Jizyah was what enriched then. Which I follwed up with : In which Liberate now today says: Let see how much of an exagerator you are. Well according to the forum post citistics I was right here, I did not abandon this forum as you claimed because of your wishfull thinking. I didnt disappear from the forum as you alledged I went to other threads on this forum. I got cought up and merely forgot about this. So since you did bring me back to my unfinished work I will continue here. The disagrement and its inconsistancy with the assertion of 9:28. I have a right to agree or disagree with a scholar unless I can produce proof. This is an Islam rule. Proof: (1) Muslims did not become ghaniy from any Jizyah as alluded to cause at the time when 9:28 was revealed the Jews were already exiled from the land. So there was no Jizyah to collect. The Christians of Nasran and of the region were extinct. No Jizyah to collect from them also. (2) The wars they fought and triumphed in with a minority fo pagan tribes after 9:28 was revealed only brought them temporary sustenance from the booty they collected that lasted them a short period of time which does not constitute as being "ghaniy" or to be rich, wealthy. Thus was no different form all the booty they collected before 9:28 was revealed in which their condition was still expressed as being poor. (3) After the muslims conquered all of Arabia and after pursuing the Byzantine forces back from the Hijaz, they entered al-Quds in which documentation from christians who witness them as they entered in to Jerusalem say in ridicule: Does that sound like a rich and wealthy people to you that enterd Jerusalem ?Umar was the Khaleefah looking like that ? Doesnt sound like a rich ruler to me. This event happened 7 years after the Prophet was taken from this world. The muslims still needy and not wealthy as discribed by the Christians. The only time in history that the Arabs of that region became ghaniy was after oil was discovered in Saudi which made them one of the Richest nations in the world. The Arab muslims of Makkah before the dicovery of the oil lived ruling in poverty through out their wars with the Crusader, Mongols etc until oil struck that enriched them that fulfilled the promiss that was made to them by Allah in 9:28. So all that time, and as many times you have used it you didnt know what home site it was huh or had the curiousity to go back an research your finding ? |
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