Christian/Muslim ThreadsWhy does Allah use the word We to refer to Himseaccording to a 1200 year timespan between you and the writer who at the time sought out wich was truth and wich wasn't. Do you think i have the authority to reject statements of Clementine of Alexandria just because 'i think' he is lying? without the proof or arguments for it? You don't read biographies and pick out what you like just because you don't like the author. Bukhari alone trew hundreds of hadith verses away because he said that they were not authenthic and that the ones he compiled were authentic. Bukhari had certain rules to proof a authentic verse from a false one, and threw hundres aways because they failed the test. And the hadiths were never tested with the Quran because back then that rule didn't excist for a Quran to be equal with the hadith. The hadith was equal with the quran back then, everything in the hadith was cultural practise derived from the quran and Muhammed's following. Read it and conclude for yourself. Ibin Shihab reported that a man in the time of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) acknowledged having committed adultery and confessed it four times. The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) then ordered and he was stoned. (Muwatta Iman Malik, p. 350). `An unmarried man committed adultery with a wife of another man' - they said. `I can take decision for both of you, according to the book of Allah' - Muhammed answered (Muwatta Imam Malik.p.351). The young bachelor was exiled for one year after scourging him hundred times and the woman was stoned too. Tradition makes it very clear that this punishment was executed according to the book of Allah. The scourging is from the Quran, shows that it is revealed within his revelation period, and the stoning should of been too since he putteth it into practise at the same in and wich Uthman complained that it was missing from the book. so practiclly more then 90% of the hadiths are useless, like the book of nursing and all that wich that cannot be compared to quranic verses is useless since you can't confirm all that stuff. Then you shouldn't believe a word of it. I've seen verses in wich Muhammed says that you loose two to one qirat's a day for owning a dog... that probably means that this isn't true since the quran can't confirm this. The Sunni's use hadiths only on a lesser level then Shia's. Yet are Shia's not muslims then? Then why do you count these when you make statistics of how many muslims their are in the world... when Shia's are not? it would only make the gap of christian versus muslim population only bigger in favor of christianity. five times prayer is explained in detail in the hadiths, while it isn't in the quran. yet their are tons of stuff in hadiths wich are uncomparable to any quranic verse... yet tons of these hadiths are accepted because it applies to the 'times'. When Arabia was still a country of camel herders, race horse jockeys and bedouien merchants they related to whole other hadith verses then muslims extremists or 21th century sufi's of today for example. With or without quranic support merely to adapt it to their cultural or philosophical state of that period of time. The hadiths are pick what you like books. If they see something they like a muslim will make sure to try and proof it with a quranic verse even too the point of perversion. glad you agree
to read a ahadeeth is a primary goal as well? i thought the quran was a complete book? i mean can or could Islam excist with only a quran? if their were no hadiths in excistence? why do you threat hadith material as semi-holy anyway. Christians don't even do that with their apocrypha, it's either false, untrusthworthy or unrevealing and rejected on those grounds. Neither is anyone obliged to read them. acctually Jesus is the one we live in, he is our role model in spirit and in person. Their are jews who believe in christ, yet if you mean judaism i don't know why they should, they don't share the same faith in this. Neither am i prejuiced in judging Muhammed, i can go into debating Muhammed's 'goodness' with my arguments. yet i think if you think that 'rigtheousness' is subjective to someone's opinion. Then we have different meanings of rigtheousness. |
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