Christian/Muslim ThreadsWhy does Allah use the word We to refer to HimseH20 Wrote: You admit that the hadiths contradict each other, and that some contradict the Quran. So basically hadiths are not reliable. I know you are going to say they are only reliable once compared to the teachings of the Quran, but what if the Quran is absent on something the hadith speaks about? For example, what about Dogs in the home and pictures etc... the Quran to my knowledge doesnt specify anything about this, but the hadiths do. Will you then automatically accept the hadith? And why is it Bukhari is considered the second holiest book in Sunni Islam if it contains hadiths that contradict each other? H20 Wrote: I respect all laws even though some are morally against my beliefs. I do not agree with certain laws, that is correct. But I do not go around using violence to promote my views, I would use the legal system to challenge these laws. First of all not all muslims "shun" the laws, havent you heard of the riots here in Manchester? and other areas. Havent you heard of Abu Hamza here in London? obviously not. Instead of trying to fight france's decision legally, some muslims have threatened France with acts of terror, and the majority of the muslim community in France support those that made that threat. H20 Wrote: You are not getting my point. I am simple saying that forcing people to be something they are not is worthless if its not from the heart. I presume all the above disgust God. Forcing women to be faithful to their husbands and vice versa, is worthless if its not from the heart. There are underground Strip clubs etc.. in many Mulsim countrys, not just the west. H20 Wrote: I know this, thats why I campared Islam to the pagan Romans. The Romans taxed the Jews as Rome was a Pagan "secular" state. Islam is doing what Rome did. Is it ok for Islam to tax the Jews and Christians because Rome did? is that what you are saying? H20 Wrote: That is my point, the Christians are fighting the tax system in those muslims countrys legally, have you heard of any violence comming from Christians trying to change the law and have equal rights? Muslims on the other hand more then often choose violence to settle things. H20 Wrote:
Are you not American? You might not have a problem but believe me your brothers in Islam would, and things would get very ugly. H20 Wrote:
There is a Mosque in the Vatican City, so the above is not true. The Vatican is run by Christians not athiests I presume. On the other hand, Not a single Church exsists in Saudi Arabia and If a Christian is caught having prayer meetings in his home he would be arrested. If a Christian wishes to bring his bible into Saudi Arabia with him he would not be allowed to enter unless he left the bible behind. I mean honestly this is extreme. H20 Wrote: The Torah is a revelation of the character of God as well as an insight of what is to come. The Torah is God's instruction on how those who place their trust in Him are to live. Deuteronomy 30:11-14 -- "For this commandment which I command you today is not too mysterious for you, nor is it far off. It is not in heaven, that you should say, 'Who will ascend into heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?' Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, 'Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it.' But the word is very near to you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it." God Himself makes it clear -- He told His people that the Law was not too hard for them to follow. Inforce? H20 Wrote: Then the above should also apply to the situation in France. H20 Wrote: I feel for the palestinains too, I am against the present state of Israel. But the palestinians are not angles, they were the cause of the war in Lebanon and in Jordan. Ye have heard this is hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; that ye may be children of your father which is in heaven. Matthew 5:43-35. Tears should be flowing for everyone regardless of religion. H20 Wrote:
I am sure you are aware of the war that accured between Turkey and Greece, on the Island of Cyprus. The Turks had a side and the Greeks another. I went to the Greek side on vacation and I saw several Mosques intact from the war and none where destroyed. On the Turkish side hardly any churches remanied. H20 Wrote:
Wanting to kill someone and actually doing it are two different things. I wouldn't think a practicing black Christian would kill someone over any issue, specailly racial. H20 Wrote:
What did he say? how many things have muslims said about the bible? I dont see them getting shot and stabbed. A few months ago my aunts husband (a Sunni muslim) came into my room and saw a bible on my table next to my bed, he started telling me that it was a bunch of crap and that its not worth the paper its written on. He said that its better used as fire wood and that I should throw it into the bin. I was hurt but I never thought of killing him. H20 Wrote: I personally am not impressed with your defence regarding the Qurans integrity. H20 Wrote:
I didnt pick them from a website, I got those hadiths from a MUSLIM book. And there are many, many more. H20 Wrote: I have located a hadith that says a goat ate part of a surah that was lost (wasted), do you reject this hadith? and if you do, on what grounds? Peace |
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