Trinity DebateJesus as the embodied pre-existent SonI have adequately shown to any rational person who is in search of God's truth that Jesus did preexist as a divine entity and one way I proved my thesis is right is to quote Jesus, Peter, Paul, and John. Paul said that Jesus is before all things and created all living creatures. I've shown you the passage from Colossians. I've shown you many selections from John, also. The argument has been very strong until you suddenly want to change the discussion. Exampli Gratia: John 16:28 I came from the Father and have come into the world. Now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father." Jesus couldn't have first been a thought in the Father's mind and then afterlife be a living being. He came into the world, literally, and left this world literally. A strong argument. One of many, I think. I want you to tell me if this isn't correct, that based on the verse Jesus must have existed in the same way before and after his life on earth, no both ways. Anything that involves any form of thinking shouldn't be described as Greek-philosophy influenced. There's a lack of evidence to even support your claim that Jesus was purely a predetermined plan, note that I never denied Jesus wasn't to fulfill a divine plan...every Christian believes that. History doesn't show this issue of Jesus's preexistence was ever called into question. I have a better idea. Start a new thread and list some verses, and we can discuss them. But understand that when you put the pieces together, Jesus, the Father, and the Spirit are God. The preexistence of Chist is an important piece of the puzzle. Even cults like the JW's and Arians believe that Jesus preexisted. Don't feel like you have some grand argument that will debunk two millenia of Christian doctrine if you would ignore a plethora of puzzle pieces that make up the picture of God. |
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