Trinity DebateJesus as the embodied pre-existent SonIn verse 17:3 Jesus still claims that He was sent, and in 17:5 tells us directly that the glory that Jesus will recieve was a state of glory that He had always existed in, before the world began. These verses don't contradict. The glory that Jesus has is certainly Godly glory, Jesus is God. You know the Gospels reveal to us that the Pharisees and Saducees despised Jesus and believed Jesus was calling Himself God when He speaks of His relationship with the Father. That was prophesized in Wisdom, a book only found in the Catholic Bible. Jesus as a preexistent being and God isn't some made up Greek-influenced junk that Aineo claims. The Son of God is glorified in Godly glory in early Jewish beliefs and in prophecies. John 10:33 The Jews answered him, "We are not stoning you for a good work but for blasphemy. You, a man, are making yourself God." Wisdom 2:16 He judges us debased; he holds aloof from our paths as from things impure. He calls blest the destiny of the just and boasts that God is his Father. John 8:24;58 That is why I told you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." 58 Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM." Jesus calls Himself God's name, a very revealing statement. He also says He came before Abraham. Jesus's preexistence is supported throughout scripture. Interestingly, Jesus speaks of Himself possessing a heavenly kingdom to the high preists. John 18:36 Jesus answered, "My kingdom does not belong to this world. If my kingdom did belong to this world, my attendants (would) be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not here." From the Bible we learn that: Jesus was a preexistent being glorified in Godly glory far superior to the angels and had a heavenly kingdom. He is one in being with the Father, and He was there when all was made and before the world began. He emptied Himself and took the form of a human to fulfill the predetermined plan of God the Father as the man Jesus. Afterward, He went back to His rightful place at the right hand of the Father and we all know Him now and can rightfully worship and glorify Him. Every knee will bow to the Son of God. This summary incorporates verses that you give, Aineo, and shows a broader picture of who Jesus is. You speak only of Jesus the man, that was only a part of Jesus's existence. For a time He came in human likeness and appearance. |
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