ArchivedDoes the Bible teach Scripture only?RomeSweetHome wrote:Aieno Wrote
Well, lets see:
1 Sola Scriptura, is a method of understanding the Bible not a doctrine. We believe the Bible is the inspired word of God.
Is it not a doctrine of most, if not all Protestant denominations to use Sola Scripture and not tradition? Sola Scripture is not biblical therefore it is a tradition, a "tradition of men".
Sola Scriptura is not a doctrine, it is a method of studying Scripture. Read our statement of faith and you will find what we as Prostestants believe about Scripture. However, Sola Scriptura is not a doctrine.
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2 Confession, 1 John 1:9 puts the lie to this assertion. We don't confess our sins to priests, which is a Catholic tradition.
Confession is biblical;
"And when he [Jesus]has said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you [disciples] forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained." John 20:22-23
"Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed." James 5:16
"Whomever you forgive anything, so do I. For indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for you in the presence of Christ." James 5:16
Why dont you practice confession? it is biblical.
As usual you quoted James out of context and have chosen to ignore 1 John 1:9 1 John 1:9-10
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
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James 5:13-18
13 Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing praises. 14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; 15 and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him. 16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. 17 Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain; and it did not rain on the earth for three years and six months. 18 And he prayed again, and the sky poured rain, and the earth produced its fruit.
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Neither one of these verses tells us to confess our sins to a priest or that any priest can forgive our sins.
Now as to John: John 20:19-23
19 When therefore it was evening, on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst, and said to them, "Peace be with you." 20 And when He had said this, He showed them both His hands and His side. The disciples therefore rejoiced when they saw the Lord. 21 Jesus therefore said to them again, "Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you." 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 "If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained." NAS
Notice this states the disciples and not the Apostles? There were 120 disciples in that room; 120 believers that comprised the first church of Jesus Christ until Peter preached on the day of Pentacost. Aieno Wrote
3 Holy Eucharist, which we call communion or the Lord's Supper so you have this wrong. Or did you list this because of "transubstantiation"?
Yes I did mean the doctrine of the real presence.
Another myth taught by the RCC. An analysis of the Greek indicates the bread and the wine are symbols of the body and blood of Christ, not only in Matthew where Jesus instituted communion but also in 1 Corinthians were Paul teaches communion. Transubstantiation was imported from the worship of Osiris. Aieno Wrote
4 Purgatory, a false doctrine.
Unfortunately for you, you have not proved that purgatory is a false doctrine. And only your opinion holds to that statment.
And you have added to Scripture, misused Scripture and have yet to prove purgatory is anything but a tradition of men based on lies.
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5 Many things about Mary; the Marian doctrines are "traditions of men"; cannot be established in the Bible and are heretical teachings.
Again this is your opinion, you have not managed to prove that the Churches techings on Mary void Gods truth.
You have not established the Marian doctrines are anything more than the heretical pagan myths imported into Christianity. Mary is not the mother of God, was not born of an immaculate conception, was not assumed into heaven and had 6 children with Joseph after the birth of Jesus. It does not take a mental giant to understand that the Bible teaches that all people born since Adam and Eve, except Jesus were born with original sin. "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" does not indicate any exceptions.
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6 Vicar of Christ: is a manmade title given to Boniface III by the Holy Roman Emperor in 604 A.D. There is no vicar of Christ on this earth. The Apostolic succession if another lie and a "tradition of men".
Evidence? A title of the pope implying his supreme and universal primacy, both of honour and of jurisdiction, over the Church of Christ. It is founded on the words of the Divine Shepherd to St. Peter: " Feed my lambs. . . . Feed my sheep" (John 21:16-17), by which He constituted the Prince of the Apostles guardian of His entire flock in His own place, thus making him His Vicar and fulfilling the promise made in Matthew 16:18-19.
Other titles are also used such as Vicar of St. Peter and even Vicar of the Apostolic See, but the title Vicar of Christ is more expressive of his supreme headship of the Church on earth.
Read the Catholic Encyclopedia and even you should be able to understand that Boniface III was the first Bishop of Rome to receive that title from the Holy Roman Emperor. Constantine held that title in 325 B.C.
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Only cults deny the Trinity, which can be discerned in Scripture by applying Scripture ony. So what is your point?
Scripture only cannot define the Trinity to its original, traditional definition of Father, Son and Holy Spirit being co equal etc and all three in one.
You knowledge of Scripture is lacking if you honestly believe what yo posted. John, Colossians, and Hebrews state Jesus created the world, and other Scriptures indicate the Holy Spirit was the creative force of God and the power through which Jesus performed His miracles. So the full Trinitarian doctrine is found in Scripture. And then there is: 1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. KJV
Many different definitions could accur using Scripture only that is why we have unitarians etc...Apostolic Tradition here is vital.
Unitarians deny the diety of Christ and are a cult.
Regarding the sabbath my point was;
Why did worshipping on saturday change to sunday? why is it that Christians go to Church on a sunday? the bible doesnt tell us to go to church on sundays. Its Catholic Tradition!
It was also a practice of the 1st century church. Acts 20:7-8
7 And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.
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1 Cor 16:2
2 On the first day of every week let each one of you put aside and save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come.
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Now you are getting ridiculous. We are not under the Law as Paul states in many of his apostles. Our sin offering is Christ. Protestants accept the OT as accepted by Orthodox Jews. The Septuagint that is used by the RCC and the Orthodox churches was compiled by Alexandrian Jews and included books of history that are not considered canon. The RCC even rejects 3rd and 4th Maccabees, which are part of the LXX
I didnt say we was under the law or any law.
Protestants accept the OT as the Orthodox Jews do, yet the Protestants reject Purgatory unlike the Orthodox Jews, Protestants (like you) reject the interpretation of Orthodox Jews concerning Israel and accept the Zionist view.
The concept of purgatory is not found in the OT. If Orthodox Jews accept purgatory it is a "tradition of men" developed after the canon was closed.
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There is no Biblical basis for the Apostolic succession or the claim made by the RCC that Peter is the rock upon which Jesus would build His church. This is a private interpretation of the RCC that is rejected by the Orthodox and Protestant churches.
Orthodox and Catholic churches have much more in common, infact are exactly the same, the only thing that separates them is the infallible Pope topic.
Jesus replied, “ Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven” (Matt. 16:17-19).
To whom or to what was Jesus referring when He said, “On this rock I will build my Church”?
What rock was He talking about?
Catholics, believe that the name “Peter” (Greek: Petros) is really just the masculine form of the Greek word for “rock” (petra), say He was referring to Simon son of Jonah.
If us Catholic's are right, if the Church was to be built in some sense on Peter himself, as head of the apostles, then this supports the Catholic doctrine of the papacy!
Naturally, Protestants aren’t comfortable with that at all, and so historically, they have claimed that the “rock” to which Jesus referred was Peter’s faith, or perhaps, Christ Himself.
Protestant scholars have taken a more dispassionate look at this text, they have come to agree more and more that Jesus was referring to Peter himself as the rock. Of course, they disagree with the Catholic interpretation of what this means, but many now agree that the Catholic explanation of the grammar of the text is correct.
And since you like to quote St Jerome so much, here is a Quote for you Aieno.
I speak with the successor of the fisherman...Though I acknowledge none as first except Christ, I am joined in communion with your Holiness, that is to say, in communion with the Chair of Peter. I know that it is upon that rock that the Church has been built.
– St. Jerome, Ad Damasum, circa 420 A.D.
A lot of rhetoric with no substance or proof. The Bible is clear that the coner stone rejected by the Jews is Jesus Christ. Read Matthew 16 with understanding and you can easily understand the faith of Peter in Jesus Christ as the Messiah is the rock upon which Christ would build His church. 1 Cor 3:11
11 For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
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Eph 2:20-22
20 having been built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together is growing into a holy temple in the Lord; 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
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As per your own post their are "denominations" in the RCC that have their own "traditions and catechism" so you are voiding your own argument.
I am the one that told you about these "denominations" they are not denominations they are all in communion with Rome, they Just have different customs not doctrine.
Peace
What is a denomination? A group of people who have different customs (doctrines) and catechisms, which you stated in a prior post applies to the Coptic, Byzantine, Ethiopian, and etc. Catholic churches.
All Christians are in fellowship with Jesus Christ the Head of the Body of Christ (His universal [catholic] church that the gates of hell will not prevail against). Eph 1:3-14
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. 7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace, 8 which He lavished upon us. In all wisdom and insight 9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10 with a view to an administration suitable to the fulness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things upon the earth. In Him 11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12 to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ should be to the praise of His glory. 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory. NAS
There is absolutely no mention of any person having to accept the traditions of men to be chosen of God in Ephesians. The RCC does not have the authority to add or delete any names from the Book of Life. Rev 3:4-6
5'He who overcomes shall thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels. 6'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. ' NAS
Jesus is the only one with the eraser.
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