RomeSweetHome wrote:Aieno Wrote
So you consider the testing of a mans works as purgatory? How does that clean any man of sin? The man is purified or sanctified and justified by the finished work of Christ and the only thing that needs cleansing is his works and that is not for sin but for rewards.
Show me how purgatory is unbiblical. Show me where in the bible does it indicate we go striaght to heaven or striaght to hell when we die.
You know what this tells me don't you? You did not bother to read my posts on the thread where we discussed purgatory. I gave you more than once the Scriptures that show purgatory is not taught in the NT.
According to Scripture those dead in Christ will arise to meet Him in the air when He comes again and then those alive on earth will rise to meet Him.
1 Thess 4:13-18
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve, as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, and remain until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. NAS
When we die our bodies return to dust, our thoughts perish and our spirits return to Him who gave it.
Ps 146:3-4
Do not trust in princes,
In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation.
4 His spirit departs, he returns to the earth; NAS
Eccl 12:6-8
6 Remember Him before the silver cord is broken and the golden bowl is crushed, the pitcher by the well is shattered and the wheel at the cistern is crushed; 7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it. 8 "Vanity of vanities," says the Preacher, "all is vanity! NAS
Aieno Wrote
If you read between the lines of Scripture as well as what it actually says the Papacy is a hoax perpetrated by men with political ambitions.
You forgot to show me the refrences of scripture to this accusation.
Again you apparently did not read my posts, however:
Acts 20:29-30
29 "I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them.
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Matt 7:15-19
15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 "Even so, every good tree bears good fruit; but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
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1 Peter 2:6-8
"Behold I lay in Zion a choice stone, a precious corner stone,
And he who believes in Him shall not be disappointed."
7 This precious value, then, is for you who believe. But for those who disbelieve,
"The stone which the builders rejected,
This became the very corner stone,"
8 and,
"A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense"; NAS
These are but a few that can establish the Pope is a man made tradition since the fruit of the RCC in the Middle Ages was not the fruit of righteousness.
Aieno Wrote
So you admit you cannot back them up in Scripture and since both concepts are counter to Jewish religious thought the only source left is Greek paganism, which makes both concepts "traditions of men".
disbelief in a "state" after death is also counter to Jewish thought. Therefore the only source left is a protestant tradition. a "tradtion of men".
Peace
In 2 Samuel David states he will go to his dead child; David believed in the resurrection. The Sadduccees denied the resurrection the Pharisees affirmed the resurrection. So whose tradition are you referring to? And then there is the one many Catholics appeal to when justifying prayers offered to the dead:
Matt 22:25-33
25 "Now there were seven brothers with us; and the first married and died, and having no offspring left his wife to his brother; 26 so also the second, and the third, down to the seventh. 27 "And last of all, the woman died. 28 "In the resurrection therefore whose wife of the seven shall she be? For they all had her." 29 But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures, or the power of God. 30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 31 "But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read that which was spoken to you by God, saying, 32'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living. " NAS
The limitations imposed by this message board does not allow a full discussion of all your questions, however, since you prefer books to the computer you could try reading some of C.S. Lewis, Spurgeon, A.W. Pink and many others who can explain all the above.