Christian/Muslim ThreadsNo Proof Quran Copied from Bible, Gnostic or Jewish SourcesHow do we know a scripture is from God? How do we know the same individual is reponsible for writing other articles? Is the trademark of the individual witnessed in these articles? How do we know God's trademark as witnessed in Judaism and christianity? What do we know about God in the old testament that we can safely say this is the same God that is speaking to us in the new testament? What does the old testament say about the qualities of God: Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? 1 Samuel 15:29 He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a man, that he should change his mind." Psalm 110:4 The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind: "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek." Are these qualities confirmed in the new testament if the new testament is serving the same God then surely this unchanging quality of God would be made manifest: 17Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. How about the koran if the koran has been authored by the same God surely this unchanging quality of God would be made manifest? "None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar..." (Qur'an 2:106). This flies in the face of an omniscient and divine God why would a God who knows what will happen from beginning to the end of the entire universe abrogate and change His mind repeatedly within a 23 yr period while in the 5000+ yrs of Judaism and christianity there is no such case of abrogation? This quality of God is fundamental to how God conveys messages to His prophets surely the true God would know what will happen in the future and will forewarn His prophets what is to happen, in this way they would know that they are serving the true God, in fact in the old testament prophets were challenged to prove that they were serving the true God: “Declare the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that you are gods?” (Isa. 41:23) This is how the old and new testaments determined if someone was speaking on behalf of God: "If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.” You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?” If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him. "If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. That prophet or dreamer must be put to death." Deuteronomy 18:19-22, 13:1-5 Matthew 7 15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. What prophecies did Mohammed make? I am yet to see a fulfilled prophecy from Mohammed stated in the koran, in desperation muslims use the verse saying behold the moon has been split as a prophecy fulfilled when Neil armstrong landed on the moon, exactly how ludicrous a fulfilled prophecy is this? was the moon really split when Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin landed on it? This bothers on the laughable, justification with semantics of what split means, and the relevance? surely the Lord God Almighty does things for a reason the moon has been split and the purpose? am I to believe the "witness witness this miracle" Mohammed was going to show the pagans only occurred 14 millenia after his death and the proof for it was on the the date 1969 annus domini based on the christian calendar on the death of the Messiah forgetting islam does not believe He died!!! is this really the best proof of prophecy islam has to offer? and what are the fruits of Mohammed according to the ahadith I have not seen a more ungoldly individual portrayed in the ahadith even blatant satan worshippers are more moral than the character portrayed in the ahadith that is Mohammed. As a christian any faith system or path that comes after Jesus and attempts to claim Jesus said words that are contrary to what the disciples and the church fathers said are attempts by satan to deceive: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8, 9 To some this passage is a prophecy warning about islam, Mohammed according to islam did meet an angel in a cave and that angel over 23 yrs told him that Jesus didn't die on the cross. This passage alone is enough to tell any objective individual that the source for both revelations in the bible and the koran cannot have been the same especially when islam (I know the koran does not say so but muslims) claims the source in both the old and new testament are corrupt, this is an insult to the true God that for 5 millenia plus we have been served a lie. The true God could not have authored the koran it contradicts all that the true God stands for from His plan of redemption for all mankind rejecting the purpose of His Son and at the same time using lip service to claim that Jesus is respected, even going as far as to curse jews calling them apes and pigs [[2] And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."] [7] When in their insolence they transgressed (all) prohibitions, We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected." Forgetting that Jesus was a jew why on earth would the true God who changeth not suddenly turn on His own people whom He had called in previous revelations the apple of His eye and to pray for the peace of Jerusalem is now calling them apes and pigs and cursing them? According to islamic history Mohammed had 600 male jews beheaded in Qurayzah had several jews exiled took their property and had their wives dispersed among his troops and himself for rape paying them no dowry and breaking his own law of iddah which was to wait for 3 months before having sexual intercourse with a widowed woman (forgetting that you and your mujaheddins are the ones responsible for making her a widow), conveniently this was justified with an addition in the koran that all married women are forbidden unto you except those whom your right hands possess. [Book 008, Number 3371: Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born. No. 3858 - Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about al-azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interrupt us, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist." Sahih Bukhari. Volume 8, Book 77, Number 600: Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: That while he was sitting with the Prophet a man from the Ansar came and said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get SLAVE GIRLS from the war captives and we love property; what do you think about coitus interruptus?" Allah's Apostle said, "Do you do that? It is better for you not to do it, for there is no soul which Allah has ordained to come into existence but will be created." I have read all sorts of ridiculous apologetics from desperate muslims trying to justify this cruel and unbelievable immoral act coming from an alledge 'holy' prophet of the same God as the christians and the jews that the women wanted to be raped and to provide proof that the women did not want to have sex with the muslim mujaheddins, which jewish woman would like to have sex on the same day with the murderer of her father her uncle her husband and her entire household not even allowing her to greive for one day but must have sex with her that same day and his followers claim it was a mercy on her, she wanted to sleep with him, this is unbelievable immoral nonsense, it is simply an insult to believe this emanated from God. |
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