Christian/Muslim ThreadsNo Proof Quran Copied from Bible, Gnostic or Jewish SourcesI didn't 'hope' anything, i just quoted how it said, in the end the conclusion is in my benefit... since it doesn't say "it was possibly composed after the muhammed era" it just doesn't say that, it says "possibly composed before the muhammed era" and many scholars agree on that, and i've made quite a collection of apocrypha wich contain that story of the clay birds... wich predate the quran with hundreds of years... again if i quote you three books that predate the quran, and the arab infancy gospel wich is a bit uncertain in your opinion then it's still three books to one wich are with certainity created before the Quran. and then you have Waraqa bin Naufal TRANSLATING gospels, you have Muhammed who is a MERCHANT (and is supposed to interact with foreigners all the time) and you have scholars who DISPUTE that it wasn't impossible for foreign people to interact with arabs, and you have a large Jewish and Christian SETTLEMENT in the Arabian Pensulina, on top of that you have TONS of scriptual evidence that goes against the Quran's supposed revelation due to it's contents pre dating the Quran. It's more rational to believe that Muhammed borrowed then that it was revealed to him... I think any rational man will agree on that, if you choose to stay stubborn and blind in faith, then that is your choice. I don't think i failed to proof that. If you have 3 books 400 years before muhammed arived on the scene spreading this folklore all over Syria, Egypt and Arabia with the assertion that the Arab Infancy Gospel was most likely predating the muhammed era, and that it is mentioned in the quran are more then enough arguments to believe that Muhammed stole an old heretic fable and putteth it in his quran... Well i would tell you if i weren't limited in search options, since the only source i use is a limited source called the internet. Yet their are numerous books written about apocryphal scripture and islamic borrowings... if your really interested in all the know how their is about it, then you should try renting or buying one of these... like i said a little research would give you these answers... and research doesn't stop at the internet both of them are outdated, the catholic encyclopedia and tisdall writings all date back to the beginning of the 20th century 60 years before carbon dating was discovered. And i'm not going to rent or buy a book for something that should be very obvious... everything indicates that Muhammed was plagiarizing instead of revealing.
I make a list of where or who muhammed possibly got his fables from, i'm am honestly saying that you can't know for certain who he got them from, but what historians agree on is that all these are possibilities... See we know that copied but we don't know for sure from who, but have a large list of suspects... It's like looking at a crime scene (plagiarism) and then seeking who was involved ... what we know is that their is a crime scene and that is muhammed was responsible for it, tools and sources he used are details wich aren't that important as long as you can proof that plagiarism happend. Narrated 'Aisha: "..The Prophet returned to Khadija while his heart was beating rapidly. She took him to Waraqa bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to read the Gospel in Arabic Waraqa asked (the Prophet), "What do you see?" When he told him, Waraqa said, "That is the same angel whom Allah sent to the Prophet) Moses. Should I live till you receive the Divine Message, I will support you strongly." Volume 4, Book 55, Number 605 -- Sahih al-Bukhârî happy? The Bible has teached to believe in one God for over more then 4000 years, Like you yourself say the Quran just repeated revelation of allready known scripture, it didn't correct anything. The Quran isn't used to judge what is true and what is not... The quran is a book of what muhammed thinks of the bible nothing more nothing less. There is a long list of possible suspects for that, since he interacted with so many people who had knowledge of scripture and religion... so many that you can't point to one person only. But hey, just for the fun of it, let's take Waraqa ibn Naufal: Waraqa lived in Mecca and probably Muhammad has met him long before his marriage to Khadija already, but at the latest when he married her, he is now a relative of Waraqa, a local authority on the scriptures. He had lots of opportunity to learn since he had 15 years of living with a Christian relative in the same city. And this relative was not one who was a nominal disinterested Christian, but one who studied the scriptures diligently and had manuscripts of them available which he copied out.. And even if they had been written in another language, Waraqa could read it, and he would have talked about them in Arabic with Muhammad. From the time he married Khadija [25 years old] to the time of his first "revelation" [40 years old] there are 15 years of possibility, or rather probability of learning at least something of what Waraqa believed and knew from the scriptures. It's a conclusion that makes sence, but i don't claim it as a hard fact. |
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