Christian/Muslim Threads81...BISMILLAHIRRAHMAANIRRAHIIM
Let us start the discussion.
You use your references:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, pp. 141 – 144
A Grammar of the Arabic Language, W. Wright, Third edition, volume 1, pp. 278 - 279
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar pp. 40 - 41
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 14
And other stuff. Up to you.
Better not complain about things called "CUT and PASTE" because YOU also CUT and PASTE from the references above.
My main references will be:
1. Tafsir ibn katsir (abridge) vol 10
2. The Holy Quran, Arabic Text with English Translation, Commentary and comprehensive Introduction by Maulana Muhammad Ali
3. Commentary for Quran - In the Shade of the Qur'an - by Syed Qutb
4. The Message of The Quran by Muhammad Asad
5. Maududi's introduction of the surahs
6. Other web-sites to support the arguments.
I'm trying avoid the "OPPINION" since we are talking about the "SCIENCE OF SURAHS / VERSES". For this I rely on the Famous Islamic Scholars especialy in the science of AL-Qur'an.
Al-Qur'an can't be separated by history because it was formed through the history Prophet's life.
OVER ALL REFUTATION.
IMPOSIBIBLITY FOR DICTATED THEORY no 1.
Surah AT_TAKWIR or surah 81 was EXISTED or revealed in Mecca.
There are no HISTORICAL RECORD that Muhammad (saw) learned NT from anybody, and no evidences that Prophet(saw) read any Bible or write the verses of it. Such acusation must be followed by historical record. Unless, all will turned up to wishful thinking.
IMPOSIBIBLITY FOR DICTATED THEORY no 2.
There are 2 groups explaining about Judgement day. Group one, telling the DOOMS day, and Group 2 the Resurrection. And there are nothing paralel to the Revelation 6.
Surah 81 together with 82 are talking about The end of days and the Day of Judgement.
In the first six verses the first stage of the Resurrection
1.When the sun is Kuwwirat.
2. And when the stars Inkadarat.
3. And when the mountains are made to pass away;
4. And when the pregnant she-camels are neglected;
5. And when the wild beasts are gathered together.
6. And when the seas become as blazing fire.
This kind of thinking is missed by Apple Pie. Those are all talking about the disaster or the dooms day of the world. That will be the FIRST STAGE of the Judgement day.
Then in the next seven verses the second stage
7. And when the souls are joined with their mates.
8. And when the female infant (Al-Maw'udah) buried alive is questioned (Su'ilat):
9. For what sin was she killed
10. And when the pages are laid open.
11. And when the heaven is Kushitat;
12. And when Hell is Su`irat.
13. And when Paradise is brought near.
Those are all what will happen after the DOOMS. We are no more in this world.
That's the SECOND STAGE of the Judgement day. Those are all about outside of our world.
On the 7th verse Apple Pie relates it with
χαιρωμεν και αγαλλιωμεθα και δωμεν την δοξαν αυτω οτι ηλθεν ο γαμος του αρνιου και η γυνη αυτου ητοιμασεν εαυτην
cairwmen kai agalliwmen kai | dwsomen | dwswmen | thn doxan autw oti hlqen o gamos tou arniou kai h gunh autou htoimasen eauthn
Rev 19.7 Let us rejoice and let us exult, and we will give glory to Him, because the marriage of the Lamb came, and His wife prepared herself.
και εδοθη αυτη ινα περιβαληται βυσσινον καθαρον και λαμπρον το γαρ βυσσινον τα δικαιωματα εστιν των αγιων
kai edoqh auth ina peribalhtai bussinon lampron kaqaron to gar bussinon ta dikaiwmata twn agiwn estin
Rev 19.8 And it was given to her that she be clothed in fine linen, pure and bright; for the fine linen is the righteousnesses of the saints.
Those are all nothing to do with the Resurrection which is consists of 7,8,9,10,11,12,13. The stories are not paralel.
It was caught that Apple Pie did not understand about surah At-Takwir it self, which is one of famous surahs explaining about what will happen on the judgement days.
SUrah 82:1-4 much related to 81
082.001
YUSUFALI: When the Sky is cleft asunder;
082.002
YUSUFALI: When the Stars are scattered;
082.003
YUSUFALI: When the Oceans are suffered to burst forth;
082.004
YUSUFALI: And when the Graves are turned upside down;-
Surah 082.009 , tells you all about it.
SHAKIR: Nay! but you give the lie to the judgment day,
So surah 81 and 82, related. explaining about the day of judgement.
And this one is not paralel to the Revelation 6.
To be continued.
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