Aineo wrote:Name one culture that has promoted homosexuality to the degree it is today?

Do you really think our culture "promotes" homosexuality?

Regardless, I never said that we <I>weren't</I> the most gay-friendly culture to date. I don't know one way or the other. All I object to is the notion that history, as a whole, has found homosexuality to be "reprehensible." From the American Indian tribes who honored feminine gay men and/or transsexual women (or something in-between -- I haven't read up on it, and it's a pretty blurry area to begin with) to, yes, some of the ancient Greeks, I believe there are enough exceptions to that "rule" to demonstrate that it's nothing of the kind.

But if you think a mere majority opinion is enough, then: "History has found women to be inferior to men." Therefore, women should continue to be legally inferior to men... no, I don't think so. As I've said before, "that's the way it's always been" is a woefully insufficient justification for prejudice and discrimination.

Aineo wrote:C.S. Lewis makes a good case for Christianity because he used the Bible as the basis for his writings.

Mm... perhaps. But I think Lewis could have made a good case for <I>any</I> set of religious beliefs he had come to believe in. Having accepted the tenants of Christianity, he used his intellect not to tear them apart, but to explain them in a way that made sense to him. And I think that he went fairly far from the Bible in doing so, even if he did use it as a basis.

Aineo wrote:You brought up your Jewish employer, I merely countered with my experience. I do not judge all Jewish business people by this one couple, I know better. There are many Christian business people who hire gays and lesbians because of their credentials not their sexuality. In fact I can't think of a better way to minister to the lost than to hire them since it then gives a Christian employer the oportunity to live the gospel not just preach it.

Good. Sorry to jump to conclusions, or at least in their general direction... the last board I was a regular on has made me paranoid, I think. And I should note that I'd be happy to work for any Christian who would <I>not</I> object to employing me, just as I'm presently happy to live under the roof of a Christian landlord, with a Christian housemate.

Chrys wrote:Great, you get my point!
Whether or not morals were involved, nobody should have the right to tell an employer who he should or shouldn't hire.

Again, I'm ambivalent. It's all very well and good for me to say "fine by me." I have a job. And I don't have to have worry about losing my job for coming out -- which would presumably be much more likely than being refused employment. I certainly don't have to worry about being unemployable short of lying or otherwise deceiving my employers, as some people probably do.

But I won't argue it. So, about about my <I>other</I> point? Do you think the government has a right to tell people who they should or should not marry?