Aineo said: God is Spirit and so is the Holy Spirit and as such are not "persons" as you and I are.
1. I'm assuming that you are saying Father is spirit, Son is spirit, and Holy Spirit is spirit.
2. How is God and Holy Spirit then, not persons as we are? Is it because they don't have bodies? We are spirit too, in body form.
Aineo said: However, they are distinct and independent forces or personalities.
3. However? So a personality is a person? And a force can be also a person? Then God has a lot more persons than your absolute three.
Aineo said: The Holy Spirit gives gifts not Jesus or the the Father,
4. Did not the Father give the greatest gift of all (the Son Jesus Christ?)
5. Jesus said to the Smaritan woman " if thou knew the gift of God". Is this not the Father gifting?
Aineo said: we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ
6. Isn't grace a force even a personality, therefore a person?
7. Isn't Wisdom also? How about in Revelation. All seven spirits of God must be persons (if we stick to your paradigm of explaining).
Aineo said: not through faith in the Father or the Holy Spirit.
8. What? Are you kidding me? We only have to have faith in one of the three? We don't need saving faith in the other two?
And as far as John goes, that you used, did you not comprehend Jesus concerning Himself and this new comforter?
Quote: John 14:15-19
15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16 "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you. 18 "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. NAS
9. Keep my commandments...ok, got it. If you love ME. And I will ask. Father will give. Another helper. The helper will be the Spirit of truth. (Who is truth?) (Jesus said I AM). Whoever it is ... they're coming in Spirit. The world can't receive this. The world doesn't behold Him or know Him. But you do! (Who is it that they know so well?) (Jesus). He dwells with you. (Who does?) (Jesus). And will be (future) IN you. (Who?) (Jesus). I will not leave you comfortless. I...I...I...I. will come to you. It will be ME that comes to you. Ahhhh...I get it now! You're coming back in another form. The Spirit form. The form you had before you came to earth.
Aineo said: God is one, not three; however God is three distinct personalities with three distinct job descriptions with three different designations or names, not one name.
10. God is not three? However? However God is three distinct personalities? And personalities are persons? Three job descriptions? Three different designations? Three different names? Not one name? ..........This is not true. Pets have personalities. We have personalities. And the personalities are not persons. And they have One name!
And then you quote Matthew 28:19...19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. " NAS
And you say three names. And then quote the above passage? Three names? And it says to baptize in the (singular) name. Not names Father, Son, HG. Three names? Not one name? Huh?
You mean, not the One great name? Have you checked in with Dr. Luke and Bro. Mark and the others about the same event? They stresssed the use of Jesus name. Never even hinting to the usage of the words Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Aineo said: You are one human being with different names for each job or position you perform in this life.
11. What? Come on now. - You are absolutely correct though. I am one Being housed in flesh. I have positions, roles, and many job descriptions. You can give me Titles if you wish (JANITOR, PRINCIPAL, COACH, TEACHER, HUSBAND, TRUCK DRIVER, FATHER, PRESIDENT, ADVISOR, SON, WORD, SHEPHERD, MINISTER OF DEFENSE...WHATEVER. But My Name is Peters! My Dad's Name is Peters...My Child's Name is Peters. Everything else is simply a discription... of Me!
The Minister of Defense will always come in MY NAME!
The Janitor, Principal, Coach will come in MY NAME!
The Teacher,Husband,Trucker will come in MY NAME!
The same for the President, Advisor, and the Shepherd! They come in My NAME!
JESUS said...in MY NAME shall you cast out devils! They won't come out saying father or son or holy spirit or saying christ or teacher, president, savior, etc.
JESUS said...At The NAME Of JESUS...every knee shall bow...Things in Heaven and things in Earth and things under the Earth!
JESUS said...the Holy Spirit shall come in MY NAME!
Jesus said in prayer: Our Father, who art in Heaven, Hallowed (seperated, wonderful, glorious, majestic ) be Thy NAME.
JESUS said I am come in My Father's NAME!
JESUS said to the Father...glorify Your NAME!
Aineo said: You want to take this inadequate analogy and through human logic deny the commandments of Jesus.
And then you immediately use a quote directed at me:
Quote: Mark 7:5-7
6 And He said to them, "Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
'This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7'But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.' NAS
Aineo......It Was Your Analogy. Not mine. You introduced it. I used it.
Aineo said: There is no other name by which we can be saved, however no man can come to Jesus unless the Father calls him.
12. What? You finally admit it? There's no other NAME that can be used to save us? But then you want to say However? However...unless the Father calls him he cant come? That's it? That's supposed to sway the whole argument now your way? Come on Aineo. Even after the Father calls a man to Jesus, that man must go through the name before he can get to the Father. No man comes to the Father except through Jesus.
You call me a hypocrit this time. I'm not offended. I'm moving up. But you pull this scripture (Mark 7:5-7) out that serves no purpose other than to injure, degrade, put down. This lowering of me lifts you up. You really should not do this. I could do the same. But it would not then be possible to gain a friend.
Your last statement is: God the Father's name is not Jesus the Messiah.
And we're supposed to say ok I guess. I already know how you feel about it. You don't think He has a name. But I do.
Aineo......you are all over the page on this.
I still maintain :
If it takes the Three (meaning Father, Son, Holy Spirit) to make the One God...
If it takes the Three to Make the One.
Then the Three are greater than the One, because the parts existed before the One existed.
And if you were to take out one of the parts, (either the part father or the part son or the part holy spirit), you have no God.
Because it takes the Three to Make the One.
- Law of Conservation (one of God's laws)
No two things (much less three) of equal substance can occupy the same space at the same time.
- Law of Geometry (another of God's laws)
How can your three person theory, being co-equal, having the same equal substance, each being Omnipresent, Ominisience and Omnipotent, occupy the same space at the same time?
DMP