ArchivedOneness, Trinity debate!Thanks Aineo for your reply. It was very interesting and educational. You have opened up a broad area in which it would be impossible to expound upon in the little time that we have. The relationship I have with Twohumble and Nick has taught me to be methodical and to express my views with continuity...These guys are relentless......but I love it. We are in agreement here concerning El- he (God) who exists by his own strength and might. God just simply...is. Suffixes would follow... El-ohim-God in plurality of Majesty; El-shaddai-God who is All Might over the might of anyone else ; El-yon; El-i; El-ijah; El-isha etc... These would be progressive titles, positions, ofices, words... designating and identifying His upcoming revelation to man...and announcing His next move. It would be God becoming. In Genesis...God creates the Heavens and the Earth. Everything is already there But...God moves on the face of the waters looking upward from the Earth's vantage point and determines that the earth cannot see what He has already created which is the sun and moon and stars etc. He therefore begins to command and divide for the created things to come forth into view. Likewise, God is already all the things He will be introducing to man...but from man's view, in his lost or blind condition, he cannot see God in His fullness. Therfore God will begin to divide and let light (revelation) come through for man to see Him as He is. Note: (1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. (they couldn't see Him) (2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear (when He comes to view) - (God dividing), we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is......we can only become what we see Him being (this was Israel's biggest mistake). Note: we see similar designations, titles, positions (father, son, holy spirit, savior, lamb, lion, king, etc.) in the New Testament whose purpose is to reveal to us the fullness of who God is. It is God dividing for us...the need to clear away the obstacles that clouds man's ability to see and therefore to understand.....El (God)-He who IS. So He tells who He is in advance and then He proves it by removing or conquering ALL obstacles or hinderances. [Now, this is in the physical world. I have not even TOUCHED the spirit world where sin is the power and satan is at this time-ruler]..........but God (El)...keeps coming! Here again Aineo...God is progressing . And Moses goes to Egypt with the latest revelation yet. He tells them the God (El) of their fathers sent me to you and sure enough they ask "what is His name" (they want to know if Moses really knows). They will not just follow anybody. Now, they're expecting Moses to say El-Shaddai has sent me (that's how they knew Him). But instead Moses says "eyeh ashar eyeh" has sent me. It blows their mind. They didn't know God in this light. And Moses wasn't readily accepted by the people either after he announces the name. So God would have to prove that He is "I AM". Abraham was never captured. But now the whole Nation of Israel was in bondage. They needed a rescuer, a savior and furthermore God decided it was time for them to see...that He would be near them and never leave them...and wanted them to come to know that He would, from this time on, be whatever and whoever they needed Him to be. Thus the understanding of "I AM". Tell them (He's announcing in advance) I am whoever and whatever they need me to be. Now, He will have to prove it for them to know Him this way. So, God sets the stage for the next unveiling. He will need for this: the children of Israel, them in bondage, Egypt the place) and a ruler over them (Pharaoh). And true, this would be the covenant name that they would come to know for all time. The tetragram YHWH as you refer to...are consonants with the vowels left out. This was because the Israelites thought of the name to be so powerful that they wanted to keep it secret or hidden from their enemies in fear of its usage against them if they were capture. They also refused to use the name out of personal fear that they would use it without worth (carelessly)...and a curse would ensue upon them. But this was not the will of God. He wanted them to always remember (by invoking it) in their lives but not in vain... using it carelessly. The covenant would be established without their effort to accomplish it. The death of the first born; the shedding of the blood of a lamb; and their participation of placing it on them (door posts of their house)...the salvation of them could not be without blood. So over time with the non use of the name...the name was forgotten. Yahweh is what some believe it to be. That's fine. I'm not against. It may be. But they have had to add the vowels in it that they think should be there. Here's what I know or think...it's my opinion. God said "eyeh ashar eyeh". Eyeh is the first person singular of the Hebrew verb "to be". It means I am. The third person singular is Yeheveh, yehevah, jeheveh, yehovah, yehoveh, jehoveh, jehovah...whichever spelling you choose. It mens "he is ". He is has sent me ... He is whatever or whoever you need him to be. Elijah means- God is Jehovah. And we thus see God using this name in relationship to saving man and advancing man's knowledge of (El) God. So God becomes known after He proves it to them as Jehovah-jireh; Jehovah-m'kadesh; Jehvoah-nissi; Jehovah-rophi and so on as you know. Yahweh OR Jehovah will be known as God's name always as it relates to man. Jah OR Yah is the abbreviated form for prefixing a name. For God (El) to become man's savior (and He said He was-he announced it beforehand in Isaiah)... he would need to identify with and become His name. Therefore Jesus (Je-sus) in english is Jehovah OR Yahweh is become my salvation. In Hebrew it's Yehshua (Yeh-shua). I tend to lean towards Jehovah because of the language used in Exodus and elsewhere...but the meaning is the same... God announcing-God becoming (to remove obstacles)-God proving-what is already known by Him-And we seeing Him that way. He said in a place: stand still and see that I am the LORD your God. (stand still and I will prove it for you to see). The announcement: With us El...El is coming! God is coming to save His people. Those who become His people.......El is going to save them. The announcement: The specifics: El will occupy His own body prepared for Him by mankind. El (God) will impregnate a woman of His choice...causing her to conceive Him in her...to give Him flesh! Watch out devil...watch out sin.....El (God) is coming! - Father is coming...El Shaddai is coming (The Almighty God)...the Prince of Peace (atoning satisfaction) is coming. The announcement:
El is Jehovah - Jehovah is Jesus the Savior - And Moses said "Hear O Israel, the LORD (Jehovah) ourEl (God) is one LORD (Jehovah)" Conclusion ( in my humble opinion): Jesus is El come in the flesh...with all the designations, titles, positions, offices that accompanies Him. Conclusion (in my opinion): If there is another name...it must bow to this name Jesus. Therefore: This name must be El's name. There cannot be a name greater than El's name. Impossible. El gave the child His name. El is God Jehovah is El's name The child (body) (the christ) was the annointed flesh of El (God)...for El was in Christ...reconciling... to Himself... The Son was the life of El that was first given to Adam (to make El a Father and Adam a Son) only now to be given again...but this time...at Calvary...to bring the sonship back to us so we could be called His (El's) people...to fulfill His promise to save us. This is my most humble opinion. This is where God has led and allowed me to understand Him to date. You might differ. I may be in error-I don't know. El knows my heart...and I am after His. And this is still the short version... God bless you all- DMP |
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