Okie Dokie!
, oKey whatever you say.
See nothing whatsoever in this commentary that Disproves the Trinity! All I see is an example pointing to the deity of Christ which I agree, nothing concrete that is able to refute my responses. Try again.
Ok this might be a problem for you, but let's examine the passage even further.
If you ginosko (know or understand) Me, you ginosko(know or understand) My Father also. You have horao (seen, experienced, beheld) Him.... He who has horao(seen, experienced, beheld) Me has horao(seen, experienced, beheld) the Father.
What is Jesus saying here? Omega what did Jesus say?
He who has horao(seen, experienced, beheld) Me has horao(seen, experienced, beheld) the Father
YOU CLAIM THAT JESUS IS NOT THE FATHER, not only that but you claim that Jesus Yahweh and the Holy Spirit are separate Beings.
SCRIPTURE REFUTES YOU.
This guy has NOT done his research nor knows logic, I will clearly disprove his false doctrine of Modalism:
Yeah I am still waiting.
If the case of switching roles is True then we have a serious error in Oneness, do you not agree that God is One absolutely? OK, How is God one if He plays the Role of Father, Son and Spirit? Do you call that Oneness? Can you see this? You clearly have 2 separate and distinct roles that are one in unity and not number. I am actually in sorrow that you are easily led into deception. Jesus said that His sheep hear His voice and hearken unto Him and do not listen to the voice of strangers, why have you? I am only concerned for you. I have carefully put in emphasis and huge fonts so that you can see how the commentator further strengthens my point, ready to see?
I believe in Manifestations of Yahweh, Jesus and Holy Spirit; those are all Yahweh. I never said that Yahweh is a singular Being NOT CAPABLE OF MANIFESTING HIMSELF; I never said that.
I have studied NT extensively, I just have a problem with the Definition of the Trinity; I still believe that Yahweh is all 3; I just have a problem with persons and distinct.
You and I can argue all night, my biggest dissapointment is that you have BRUSHED ASIDE amplified scripture that SAYS THAT JESUS IS THE FATHER.
We be one even as the Father and the Son are one? Do you or do you not understand the spiritual definition of UNITY? THANK YOU JESUS(GOD IS AWESOME!!!) for clarifying to me how oneness is clearly displayed, unless you disagree with Jesus, do you? You must understand that that the (oneness) of The Triune God is a function of unity. So as Jesus CLEARLY explicated, are you and me one or two persons?
I don't like to use the term person or persons, God created these so he is not one of these. Jesus clearly stated that he's the father, you have not disproven John 14.
Lord have mercy! Where does this guy come up with this? The reason why Jesus Cried out why have you forsaken me is clearly a demonstration that He is a distinct person. The sins of the world was placed upon Jesus as he died and suffered for your sins on the cross. He was that sinless sacrifice without spot nor blemish, God cannot be in the presence of sin, therefore one member had to have sin placed upon Him in order for this to be accomplished, When the Son had the sins of the world placed upon Him, the Father who cannot be in the presence of sin had to separate Himself from the Son at that very moment. God Loved this world SO MUCH, that He forsaken His only Son. Jesus cried out those words to demonstrate Gods Love, do you not understand the depths of His Love? Well I know because I abide in Him and He in me and He tells me how much He loves me daily, literally.
God is multidimentional, he can do thing that you and me could not even imagine. Only Jesus's soul descended to Hell, not his divine spirit. Ohh so the Father separated himself? How is this possible, since you don't believe Jesus was the Father?
Reeeeaaallllyyyyy? Uh huh!, too long to cover, If He was so much concerned about the Church then he would have covered it. I have heard all sides of this argument and have come across people such as him who claim to have have refuted scholars on the subject of the Trinity. He has no concreted evidence whatsoever to back his argument up, from where? And the word shem means character, position in what, Hebrew or Greek? There are over 30 different meanings for the word shem in Hebrew and about one in Greek, so which is He referring to so I can further prove my point. So do you actually pray before responding to me, or do you naturally rely and TRUST in mans commentary to guide your path? Here is a verse in Scripture so that you may take heed:
What's wrong with reading materials that you support? You obviously read materials that you yourself support so why bash me for doing the same thing?
WHERE? I don’t see any?
Read it again, and again and again; it's clearly there, you don't look blind to me.
Three GODS? The essenes know more about Unity than you do. Of course God is one. The same word one is used to describe the Unity of God and God as One God. Let us see!
The word ONE heis(hice) Is used in these passages in Scripture and I challenge you to say that it reads otherwise or to ACTUALLY PROVE to me that is reads differently in a predated form Here are the Scriptures.
Mark 12:32 - And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
John 17:23 - I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Hmmm......Your probably going to come up with some nonsensical argument that is based on your own understanding which the Bible forewarns us not to do such. If you do then your only deceiving yourself, think about it my friend. I have been around for quite a while and seen all types of responses, the question is whether you are willing to be HUMBLY corrected?
Ok so it says One, but that still does not change the fact that the Trinity clearly says that Jesus is not the Father; you believe in 3 different beings in the Godhead while I believe that there is ONE TRUE GOD MANIFESTED IN 3 DIFFERENT WAYS.
??? What? Of Course Christ is God, that commentary shows nothing whatsoever that disproves the Triune Nature of God. Greek and Hebrew words don’t surprise me my friend, I know both Greek and Hebrew, so as to your point??? All you have done is compiled data from different sources which are evidently either unreliable or further strengthening my argument.
I never denied the Diety of Jesus, my problem with the Trinity clearly lies in the definition. John 14 clearly states that Jesus is the Father, there's no way you can get around that; disproves your twisted and disguisting view of Yahweh.
I am sorry Omega but I see we have irreconciable differnces; You need to Prove to me that Jesus is not Yahweh and Holy Spirit is not Yahweh.