Christian/Muslim ThreadsTrinity ~ God is One not 3!Good morning everyone.... hope all is well for all.... Maybe i am misunderstanding you... are you saying we are to be one with God? This is a very beautiful passage.... thanks for it... this is my outlook for/of life... absolutely beautiful... all is futile except God. working towards God has eternal rewards(selflessness)... working towards self (selfishness) has only monentary apparent rewards... kinda true... but first we have to figure out if there is really a God or not... who is He? what is He? etc etc.... once that is done... worship etc comes as 2nd nature... one does not have to think of worshiping... it comes naturally... We are perfect and at the same time we are not. its a matter of perspective... a child born 10 minutes ago... this is perfection. in perfect harmony with nature. a prophet of God. perfection in action.... but the highest and best-est (sorry ... couldnt come up with a word that is a superlative of best) perfection in action is when a man/woman chooses God. Consider this... in a perfect world ... would good and evil exist? yes. because if either one was absent then what is good? or what is evil? choice is what makes man perfect.... without choice... we still are perfect but the degree of perfection is somewhat lesser... yea yea i know... i am contradicting myself... different levels of perfection???? absolutely absurd... but it is a fact. eg. is a world perfect if there is no free will/choice? a man devoid of freedom to choose good or evil... is this perfect? no. if you cannot choose which college to go to then would you consider you teenage life as perfect? no. you will say its imperfect... but if your dad agreed to your college of choice... you will right away say life is perfect. a college of my choice... a girlfriend of my dreams.. etc etc... so to cut to the chase... you and i are perfect. but there are levels... it all depends on the meaning of perfection for that perticular individual... God's perfection is a totally different kind that what we have. etc.... you dont have to agree to the above passage... all i ask is if you understand my point of view. as for the logic part.... well i believe like all things this too is created by the Supreme Being. so it has to be perfect. i am sorry... i didnt understand this... would it be possible for you to explain it a bit more??? thanks. true. but isnt God all-merciful as well? i guess the real question here is ... which attribute of God is more stronger? mercy or justice? If a person begs for mercy and God chooses to still go ahead with the punishment ... doesn this make God all-unmerciful??? Normally i try not to bring this up... but i have to here... God in christianity is potrayed as an all-loving.. all-kind...etc god. from the NT times... maybe in the OT times it was both but after NT.. God is more merciful than angry. also muslims are accused of limiting God. limiting what He can and cannot do... (eg manifestation of Jesus... word becomes Jesus... etc etc) by reading the above quote... doesnt it look like you are limiting God??? "No... God has to punish. He is all Holy... the slightest infraction deserves the severest punishment... God cannot give mercy because it will infring on His Holiness" and other such statements... tell me.. who is limiting God? the universally accepted view of God in Islam is "we dont know what God will do with us. It is His choice... He may choose to punish us.. He may choose to forgive us... He may choose to do anything. He is God. He is the one who set the rules. not us. we live by His rules. He does not bend to our rules. We bend to His. Even the prophets prayed to God coz they didnt know their end result" this is a general muslim view ... but if anyone wishes to differ plz say so... (the muslims here that is) One of the major points christians pick about Islam is that there is no gaurantee in Islam. a person may be devout his whole life and still not make it to the pearly gates... Even Prophet Muhammed prayed to forgive his sins and to let him thru the gates... whereas in christianity ... accept Jesus and you have a one-way ticket to heaven... no questions asked. But my friend we are being practical... We do not know what is going on in God's mind. We do not know which bad deed of ours will wipe out all our good.. or which good deed will wipe the slate clean... we dont know. and that is why works/deeds is much supported... atleast if there are any good deeds/works done we have a slight fighting chance of passing thru... but at the end of it all its all at God's descretion... No gaurantees...none what so ever... and thats what makes it sooo great. So tell me... who is limiting God now? You or I ??? Tell me ... is there anything called repentance or forgiveness or prayers in Christianity? if so?why? eg. consider this same bank robber... he is a good christian... re-born if you wish... he gets tempted... robs a bank. then later on repents... maybe he has the money or maybe he spent it all on whatever... This man accepted Jesus once... but got tempted. and since he is after all just a human he stole. now... will God punish this robber? who accepted Jesus etc... or will this person be let off the hook??? lets make it a bit more interesting.. .this robber repents ... sincerely if you wish... will he be punished??? or he is let off scott free??? plz reply to this as i wish to know your view on this topic. Once again ... are we limiting God here??? on what He can and cant do??? someone screwed up now he has to be punished. God cannot be merciful because it will conflict with the divine justice part... who is limiting God? Did you know that in Islam all sins against God can be forgiven (if He chooses to) except disbelief/unbelief ... its called kuffr... all other sins are mere breaking the rules... but kuffr is saying there is no rule maker... there is no God... and this God says will not be forgiven. (but let me add something more... for clarification sake... kuffr and sinning against another are 2 sins that God will not forgive... i am not saying this... its God who said it. ) I wanted to bring this up in my last post but i was getting late... any ways here it is... In the apostles creed ... its said that Jesus went to hell... which part? The divine part or the human part? and why did Jesus have to go to hell? He never sinned.. I know the words used in the Bible are to the depths of earth or something like that... and many people interpret it in different ways.. some say its hell (literally) and some say it is a metaphore... etc... plz if you have the time do answer the 2-3 questions i brought up ... Thanks H2O... i was as much surprised as you were/are... not only is the title changed but it shows that i believe in the trinity... which i dont. so the Mod/Admin who did this... change it back ... or atleast something that reflects my views... i do not think the title was anti-christian or whatever... Thanks ya'll Peace!!! |
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